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Re: OT - Small town vol. fire chief vehicles


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Posted by RodInNS on April 21, 2017 at 20:53:52 from (184.171.194.151):

In Reply to: Re: OT - Small town vol. fire chief vehicles posted by Bret4207 on April 21, 2017 at 15:02:16:

Well... what we're doing here at the present time is NFPA 1001 cert with hybrid delivery where they do their theory online through
OSU/Resource 1 on the Moodle platform... and then 5 full weekends of hands on. Could we cut that down to 1 weekend of fire control so
people learn how to directly deal with fire? I suppose so... but then we'd be forgoing all of the prep skills that lead to a good
foundation to deliver fire control. You quite correctly point out that 1001 is 'just the start'... and it certainly is. When we look at the
skills a lot of these folks have after 5 weekends.. I think most of us would say that they are perhaps competent to be a backup firefighter
on a nozzle crew. It takes time to develop the skills necessary to recognize the situation you're in more so than simply apply water. One
wrong, untrained move is all it takes to get a face full of fire, or give your buddies a face full of fire... or a steam burn.. or worse.

As to someone else's remark about fire fuels being different in different areas.... I don't agree with that particularly. I'm in a rural
department.. and when we look at the mixture of occupancies we could be tasked to respond to.. it runs the gammit nearly every hazard
class. There's farms here with large on farm feed mill complexes, sawmills, large hay storages, commercial size LP storage tanks...
lightweight farm building complexes... power stations and on and on. Never mind dealing with MVA's and so on.
What I would say is that today's PVC/foam/petroleum based fueled fire is far more rapid in development, more intense and more deadly than
what firefighters were dealing with 40 years ago. Structures are tighter, the retain heat better, they flash quicker... they exhaust their
oxygen supply... then sit and wait for you to open a door... Also with lightweight building materials... they collapse MUCH quicker. So in
short things have changed a HUGE amount. I believe if you look around you can find a NIST vid with flashover comparisons between a modern
home and grandma's house.... the former flashes in about 4 minutes! The latter was somewhere around 28-30 minutes...
What amazes me is that there is still people out there who through the goodness of their hearts are willing to go into that mess, nearly
untrained... like cannon fodder. I don't get it.

Rod


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