Posted by Dean on April 18, 2018 at 10:35:19 from (68.50.160.151):
In Reply to: OT Russia in WWII posted by riverslim on April 18, 2018 at 07:36:14:
Yes, we shipped thousands of Studebaker trucks, which they loved, to the Russians as well as enormous amounts of other war material and food stuffs.
From a historical perspective, the Russians were going to win WWII in Europe (with our economic help), whether England survived or otherwise, but the final outcome may well have been different. Germany could not win a war of attrition against the Russians. The Panzers would have been ground up against overwhelming numbers of men and material produced in areas that the Nazis could not reach. Indeed, this happened.
That said, the map of Europe could well have been different post WWII if England had fallen and/or we had not propped up the Russians during their hour(s) of need. Had England fallen, invasion of Germany from Italy would have been more difficult and time consuming. Stalin could well have been content with pushing the Germans out of Russia (given), probably Poland and other disputed areas on the Eastern front.
FDR was committed to winning WWII but he died in 1944. History has demonstrated that Truman's commitment to winning wars is questionable at best. Had England fallen it would have taken longer for us to win the battle of the Atlantic but we would have won it, nonetheless. Accordingly, we could have continued to supply the Russians with war materials and supplied invasion efforts through either England, France or Italy.
Given sufficient resolve in the US, the Russians would have "won" WWII with our help. In retrospect, the final outcome might have been better.
Meanwhile, given sufficient resolve, Truman being the caveat, the US was going to win WWII in the Pacific. There is no possibility that the Japanese could have won a war of attrition against the US (ask the Japanese, they knew). As a minimum, Japan would have been pushed back to borders prior to Dec. 1941. Indeed, one might argue that, had England fallen, doing so might have taken less time than it actually did, because resources committed to the primary European campaign might have been diverted to the Pacific campaign for some time.
Correspondingly, it is conceivable, that WWII could have ended with the map of Europe similar to what it is now and the map of the Pacific not dissimilar to what is now, though such eventuality would likely have taken several years longer. I have my opinions but will leave it to you to decide if this would have been a better long-term outcome than the eventual outcome.
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