Re: Americal farmers freedom

Posted by ryan on December 22, 2001 at 15:23:01 from (209.143.11.9):

In Reply to: Americal farmers freedom posted by John D on December 22, 2001 at 12:23:04:

I feel that the government has ahold of the farmer perhaps more than they should now. I live on a 2000 acre farm here in south-west ohio and we have just had out experience with government regulation. You tell me if this makes sense.......In Ohio a woods must be certified that it is not in fact a wetlands before it can be cleared. It must meet two out of three criteria, it must have hydric soil, hydrophytic vegetation, and/or it must have the proper hydrology (such as standing water). We have a woods that was once owned by two different people. One woods is older than the other because one side has been logged out for it's timber. The trees that were left behind are pin oaks, beech and some maples that are not worth cutting, these trees are also found on the some 2500 species that are considered to be on the Ohio's list of wetland species. The state biologists doesn't bother to observe the stumps of the trees that used to be there and he doesn't provide much of an explanation why the wetlands stops with the fence. The list of hydric soils lists about every soil around here, the one in quesiton in our woods there is some 15,000 acres of this type of soil in our county alone. The government is denying our wish to put this woods into agricultural production because we take government subsidy, but it is ok for us to clearcut the entire thing and grow some other type of non agricultural commodity. Does that makes sense? Does it make sense that we could sell a similiar peice of ground (preferably one that isn't stuck in the middle of a 250 acre field) to a developer (if you dare call one that) and he can put houses left and right on it? What about the wetlands then? It seems to me that groundwater is better off with agricultural land then it is with a foot of pavement over it and 200 cars sitting on a parking lot dripping oil and everything else on the ground and getting washed straight into the storm sewers. So you tell me if that makes sense. Brazil is passing us up in the world grain exportation. In the future our food supply is going to get more expensive as there are more people and less ground that is good for planting crops. We trade grain for oil as well. What happens when we are not able to do that anymore. The government spends millions of dollars on defending oil cargo ships inbound to the united states perhaps because oil is treated as an essential for our everyday and economy and is not considered a subsidy to the oil companies, when are we going to wake up and realize that all it is going to take is some federal cutting and there will be less than the now 2% left of farmers. You think farmers in Brazil have to worry about dumping there oil on the ground? What does the price of their inputs cost down there? I think you look into it a bit further you will see that the American farmer doesn't have it as easy as people's perception of them. I understand what the purpose of wetlands are and I understand their importance but it is going too far with the listing of 2500 species here in Ohio alone. The government covers itself by such actions as these and the farmer doesn't stand a chance, unless he wants to forfeit his subsidy (in which he can't survive today). Protect the wetlands where they are and stop making up a bunch of criteria to limit the American farmer even more in a more demanding and trying time for the American Farmer. WE have to pay taxes on the wood's the same as the farm ground. WE don't get anything in return, we can of course harvest the trees but they don't give the farmer anthing for them. The farmer pays taxes on the woods for 50 years and only gets half of what the timber is worth. So tell me if that makes sense. I am not saying anything about the case you are speaking of but I wanted to speak my two cents on the issue at hand.

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