Re: Buying at a distance from home ....

Posted by Billy NY on January 19, 2005 at 18:21:55 from (152.163.101.7):

In Reply to: Re: Buying at a distance from home .... posted by VO on January 18, 2005 at 19:04:32:

"Pardon The Interruption" but, one cannot help but notice the below dispute! On that note, they ought to make a dispute resolution category for problems like these, so the children who cannot play nice, can have their own place to thrash each other, and everyone else can avoid reading the nonsense. There is no need to respond to this needling thread of mine either, I could care less, with the exception of criticizing what I read about.

With that said, I'll bet the both of you are so damn stubborn, you could not resolve this issue, shake hands and call it a day, neither of you have it in you !!! NO WAY, not gonna happen, can't do it, sorry no go, all over a piece of iron! I guarantee neither of you could find a way to resolve this, amicably, I'll even bet you don't have the courage to try, do ya ? NAH, how about some more childish remarks to each other here, looks really impressive to an outsider and pardon me, but it's PATHETIC !

Lets see, I can relate to this situation. A couple of years ago, I bought an 850 Ford, with a loader. I looked at it and ran it a bit in the dark after work one night, OK, I'll take it, with the Rhino SE-6 Brush Hog. It was an LPG model and it was for sale for a long time when I went to take a look at it. $2800.00 & it was a done deal, the seller brought it 50 miles to me on his trailer the next day, and when looking at in the light, the obvious became evident, the seller did not over-rate the tractor, but did not go out of his way to point out some serious problems such as:

1.) Tires had decent tread but had been abused, were cracked, one rim turned out to be junk they were loaded with calcium, the day after I got it home, the fluid froze and the tire had a high spot in it, rode like the Flinstone mobile !

2.) Brakes were shot, drums turned out to be ok, replaced them anyway, but the pads were worn, right side was the worst, parts missing etc. but at least the axle seals were good and the pads were dry.

3.) Loader frame had numerous cracks and seperations on the frame, a bucket with a really bad cutting edge and worn heavily, one set of pins/bushings were ovaled with 1/4" play or more, the others were ok. I had to do some heavy duty interim repairs, to make it sound, if I ever take off the loader I'll cut the pipe sections out and replace the sections, weld them with neat fillet welds, so it looks presentable and the obviously stressed steel is strong in the seemingly week areas, someone must have really abused this one.

4.) Numerous leaks, everyting except motor oil.

5.) Had to roll it off the trailer, it would not start in the cold, LPG and cold start issues.

6.) Starter drive was shot, flywheel ring gear was ok though

7.) Exhaust was shot, manifold ok though.

8.) Weld on the block where the front end bolts up, ( well it's held up since I've had it and worked it quite a bit ) my only real worry about breaking on this tractor, as I know nothing about welding cast.

9.) Both front wheel bearings were poorly lubed, the grease was so old, it turned to some really nasty substance that was like tar, bearings were ok though, but squeaking.

10.) Numerous other items were in need of service or repair. Won't even mention the tin work, it's lacking big time, no fenders either ! Forgot, none of the gauges worked, and some of the wiring was shorting out due to bare wires.

Did I go after the seller NO, did I thoroughly check the tractor out NO, ok I wish I had waited and bought something a little nicer ( should I say a LOT nicer !)

What did I do ???? I repaired mostly everything listed above myself, correctly, say $1500 worth, $1000.00 of which went for rear tires and road service to replace which is really expensive to do that way. Ok, she still slips out of gear, and must have a zillion hours on it, but it is still a strong working machine, I did one landscaping job with it and made all of my repair money back, besides all the brushogging, some plowing, clearing and other work it's done since on my 98 acres.

I could care less about the seller, or what he said or may have said, I bought it, negotiated close to a $1000 off the price as well. Once I saw what needed to be done, I got right on the case, made the tractor capable of doing work and it's still running strong but nowhere near what I'd like it to be. No doubt it was abused, worn beyond belief, but complaining about it would get me nowhere, so I stepped up to the plate and did what needed to be done. I could sell it now, as is for what I paid for it, it's a worker, not a collectible, but seeing I like the old girl so much, once I upgrade to a nicer model, I might just do a complete tear down, and go right through it, why not ?

All in all it's always gamble, obsolete machinery is what it is, old and sometimes really worn, other times not so bad at all, but still old, and something major could happen tomorrow requiring major repair. When dealing with obsolete equipment, you'd best be prepared to be capable of stepping up to the plate, it's that simple, complaining will just get you nowhere quickly.

Here's a suggestion:

A.) Buyer: make a list of what you think was HONESTLY misrepresented and assign a value to it, and not one that is inflated or BS either, be fair about it or just look in the mirror and repeat after me; " I'm a very stubborn person, who appreciates nothing !" Get the point ? Keep it real and don't be petty about it!

B.) Seller: Take into consideration what the buyers alleged defects are, problem here is, you already bought the tractor at a certain price, so if you have some room to soften things up a little, just do it. ( Know a little about this as we had a Ford dealership for over 10 years, plenty of trade-ins and used stock aside, from new) Used to maintain a good relationship with any customer and I don't care how miserable they may have been ( seen a few ) none of them ever walked out the door without having a problem resolved. Some think that is not possible I say work harder at it and you can solve any problem. If there is no room in the sale, what else can you do that would not give the store away, but remedy the buyers problems. Get my drift ?

There has to be some compromise on both parties, we're talking about a $1500.00 tractor correct ? Money is money & any amount is important, but we're not talking about some limited production, one of, rare collectible here correct ? So, I don'think anyone is losing their home over the deal and there are plenty of ways to recoup costs if you are vertsatile, Hey, I had to go out and find some paying work for mine, but one weeks work, made up for it, if I sat on my arse and complained, would not have made a dime ! At the moment, she's towing logs to the lot for firewood making more $$, so after this winter, it will have paid for itself in real $$, work is work, there is no substitute.

Enough said, now heres the challenge I present to both of you:

I'd almost place money on the premise that neither of you have what it takes to resolve this problem immediately and report back here IN THIS FORUM, to show people that it does NOT have to be this way and that problems like this can be overcome by people who want to solve their disputes and put closure on undesirable situations like what has apparently occurred here. I'd double or nothing the bet as a matter of a fact, LOL !!! that neither of you have what it takes, to get it done, thinking you'd rather trash talk about it.

HOW BOUT IT GUYS ????? I'll give you 1 week to do it, thats plenty of time or, will you just take the easy way out......... WHAT IS IT GONNA BE, ENEMIES FOR LIFE OR PROBLEM RESOLUTION ?

It's your call !

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