Re: STARTING MY OWN BUSINESS, ANY SUGGESTIONS

Posted by Billy NY on April 05, 2007 at 09:39:20 from (205.188.116.14):

In Reply to: Re: STARTING MY OWN BUSINESS, ANY SUGGESTIONS posted by Howard H. on April 04, 2007 at 11:44:43:

Again, I hate the subject, but I've dealt with these issues, pickets, harrassment, bitter arguments etc. Those are cowardly criminals, that do this, they can't face you, they can't get to the person who makes the decisions and be sucessful at what they are selling, which is union labor as in this case. They certainly don't want to work if they do something like that, who would hire people that do this ? So they sabotage equipment instead. Again, its people who make the conscious decision to be malicioius and sabotage a contractors equipment because they failed to negotiate or even attempted to make a deal. Those people are criminals and hurt their own cause. If you cave into their bullying you are making a mistake, you have to play the game and be the first one to initiate contact, knowing their weasels fight with sugar and sand when they don't get their way. You are not taking work from them, they take it from themselves when they do things like this.

When this happens on a site, someone dropped the ball way before the job got started, it can be avoided and you can prepare for it if it's likely to happen, which most contractors already know up front. Seasoned contractors know where union territories exist, and if they don't deal with the issue before the job is even awarded, it's destined for problems, I get you, you get me, repeat...... no win situation. It's hard to believe a large contractor would mobilize onto a site and be dumfounded when the union pressures them. Someone made the decision before the job started and took the risk, knowing bad guys are notorious for doing these things since before many of us were even born. It's criminal, but that does not stop them, so play the game smart up front or it's gonna happen because bad guys are out there and have no conscience about what they do.

Not all unions and union trades are like this, some great people are and were union members who work hard for a company, and have served this country and are veterans.

You remember Jimmy Braddock the boxer from the 30's, he was a union member of the local #825 operating engineers on the Verrazano Narrows Bridge project and I had laborers who worked with him on that job, who were old timers then but could still outwork people half their age. He was also an army veteran of world war II and an outstanding citizen

I've been on jobs where the 825 O.E. was pressuring contractors and when I was younger, I tried numerous times to get into that same union, having passed the tests on equipment at their school, as well as local 14 O.E. school, proved at both schools I was capable of working for contractor immediately, but to no avail. B.A.'s playing favorites and I was not on the list. I have friends with a crane service whose entire family is 825 and they are an outstanding company and a good honest family. I certainly did not go back to either of those union schools and vandalize their equipment because the B.A.'s were playing favorites, and I did not get in. I really wanted to be part of one of those unions, because I enjoyed the work as an operator, the pay and benefits and knew I could retire from there. We had 2 guys that were 825 where I worked one year and made double what I made + benefits, for the same work, kind ticked me off, but I stuck it out, and eventually I had to move on in my career which paid a lot better.

Just remember one thing, not all union members vandalize equipment, many of them are some of the most honorable, patriotic citzens in this country, just as much as any other hard working honest people who don't have a union label on their back. It's the people not the union/ non union labels that make the difference.

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• Re: STARTING MY OWN BUSINESS, ANY SUGGESTIONS Howard H. 11:53:50 04/06/07 (1)
  • Re: STARTING MY OWN BUSINESS, ANY SUGGESTIONS Billy NY 13:08:35 04/06/07 (0)

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