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EXpensive propaine? Propaine is by-product!!!
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Posted by jonny2006 on June 22, 2007 at 18:32:54 from (67.142.130.28):
my father-in-law used to work at amaco in Mandan N.D. He told me they had Five "super Bladders" That they had to fill and when they were full......They would send it up the stack and burn it off! I rember seeing it also in minnesota you would drive by ashland or koke refinery and you would see a huge flame torch in the air burning 24/hours a day after they filled the tanks. Propaine is a by product that is why propaine dosent follow gas and diesel. Back in 1999 i bought propaine for .62 cents a gallon and thought that was high because a few towns over the same brand of propain was selling for .56 cents per gallon but they would not deliver to my aera. so i had to pay the .62 Also he was incharge of getting the water out of the huge holding tanks and he would open a valve at the bottom of each super tank and he would listen as the water hit the ground it made a "splashing" sound and when it change over to oil or distillates it wouls make a distincive sound when the fossile fule hit the ground. then he would close the valve. He for many years ran the mixers and the "cracker towers" as diffent fuels would burn off at diffrent temps. all he had to do was push buttons to move the diffrent fuels and mix the diffrent fuels. He said they had government contracts and a government offical would put a lock on the huge tanks after it passed the purity test. then a MP would gard the tank till it was extracted by the us government. He lost his high pasying job in 1987 when the refinery was prepairing to close down. He was offerd a tranfer to amaco in texas and turned it down. In the us there are less refinerys today then there were 20 years ago! low fuel prices were responsible for the closers accrss the nation. There is one refinery that wants to start up but they are cought up in red tape. just getting the perments takes around 10 years. No one wants a refinery in there "backyard" They are hoping to open by 2014. Also i seen on tv that our food bills will be going up 7 percent on average because of high corn prices due to so much corns going to fuel. The thing i don't understand is they don't need to use corn to make ethanol. you can make ethanol out of just about any material that will ferment like grasses. Take a look at brazil they are compleatly off fossile fuels and burn alcohol. We could learn a few things from that country. It is nice that farmers are gonna get more for there corn and milk and other products but if it sends us into a ression we will all suffer, and farmers always seam to suffer more durning a ression. they should bring back hemp as we could make way more fuel of an acher of that then corn. plus we could make paper out of hemp fiber. It takes ten years of groth from trees to do what a acher of hemp can do in months. I know that the forestry industry plants more tress then they cut down, but it some point demand will out do supply. I belive hemp could be the answer to a few of the tough questions. we might be ok for now doing things they way we have done it for years but with the skyrocketing fuel prices is a sign that the supply is tight. I know what some will say if you got the money you can buy as much as you want. but if every one did it there would be shortages. just remember 9-11 when everyone hit the gas pumps demand was so strong stations ran out of unleaded and super unleaded and some ran out all together. in my town people were filling 55 gallon drums gas cans and rumers of 6.00 gas was running rampid. Trust me the supply is tight in this country and if you don't belive it asked a gas station owner who said on 9-11-01 i called 3 diffrent suppliers and no one can be here for a week. I don't have enough to last 2 days. i rember seeing stations with bags over there gas pumps as they ran out. Prices will not stablize untill we can reduce our demand or increase the supply. Renewable energy is our only long term answer.
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