Posted by Hurryin_Hoosier on February 06, 2010 at 17:55:16 from (75.206.28.38):
In Reply to: O/T highway patrol posted by c.w n.y on February 06, 2010 at 15:26:08:
Contrary to some of the ridiculous replies in this thread, let me fill you in on what might have occurred. My qualifications - 25yrs a cop and 10yrs a vehicle stop instructor.
First, Buzz nearly got it right in that no probable cause is needed to make a stop. It's called reasonable suspicion. PC is what's needed for an arrest. Suspicion is needed to detain someone.
If your father waited 5 minutes (likely less as even a minute seems like a long time under the circumstances) then it was due to the license plate return from dispatch being slow, the officer confirming what the actual complaint and vehicle description were, plus checking on the distance of backup, should any be needed.
No offense to your father, but I have a hard time believing the officer seriously said "not to do it again" with regard to boots and a shovel in the car. Perhaps a joke, perhaps a misunderstanding. Truth is the officer likely thought the original complaint was the joke in the whole affair.
As far as what the officer could have done? The standard for whether or not you stay in the car or get ordered out by the officer has been determined by two Supreme Court cases. Officer's call - not yours.
The way most officers are/should be trained, and rightfully so, is if he truly thought your father had a dead body in the car and was up to no good -Dad exits the car at gunpoint. You never approach a car when there is a belief you might see the business end of gun. It's called a high risk (or felony) stop - gun comes out first, apologies can come later.
And for Geezer - I and many officers I have worked with have apologized when it's realized there has been a mistake made and someone was pulled over that should not have been. Just so you know though, I have been pulled over both before and since being LE. Dealt with some arrogant officers myself. See next paragraph to undertand why.
Consider the fact that persons employed by police departments come from the general public - just like farmers, truckers, etc. Imagine, based on some of the responses you've seen just in this thread, if those posters were law enforcement for a living. How well do you think Dad would have fared based on some of the vitriol and narrow minded (and in some case flat out racist) statements you've seen in various postings over the weeks/months on of all things a TRACTOR board? Then consider their are other boards where the real low lifes of the world hang out.
Sorry you father didn't like the way it went down, but in retrospect everyone went home unscathed and he has a story to tell about the "dead body" that almost got him arrested.
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