Dear Teddy, I do not need to prove anything. It is in the interest of good practice to prove your contention on your own (in this case Joe's) He has had years to make good on his contention that over unity exists. If it did, and even if it was tiny, he would have no need for any batteries at all ever. Just a tiny push would get it making all the power needed to make it operate. It does not, it cannot, it never will. There is no free lunch, those that appear free were paid for by others. I respect your opinion on tractor issues, you are bright and willing to learn and participate with the forum. Going beyond the faith you have espoused is your nickle. When you have a device running with no battery or energy input, we will look it over, send pictures. Magnetic bearings are available that (if placed in a vacuum) have no friction at all. If used on his machine, it should whir like a dervish. It won't. I teach the limit of my student's ability. I push them hard. If I push them over the edge, I will have ruined them. I am not conservative, I dig into the content I posted and understand it. It is not obsolete, it is the best of (and a brief intro to) the real content of magnetism. Best of luck, Jim
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