Posted by Billy NY on July 17, 2010 at 10:57:25 from (74.70.28.34):
In Reply to: How many smoker here? posted by IOWA NORTHEAST on July 16, 2010 at 23:36:31:
Wide array of of interesting views/opinions given about something that is a serious problem, which some don't seem to believe, and others see first hand what happens to people who smoke.
Personally, I firmly believe its bad, all the way around. Look at what the tobacco companies call tobacco, what is it really ? Anything that burns and smells like it does and is what they call cigarettes, tobacco....... hmmmmm yep hmmmmmmm...... mass produced ....... highly addictive and hard to stop...... yep, hmmmmmm again !
You tobacco growers, and I know there's a bunch on here, is what you grow, (straight from the plant, after being dried) actually the same thing that is in the cigarette ??? I mean if you were to take fresh tobacco, and directly prepare it to roll up into a cigarette, pipe or what have you, the same ? No way in hell it is. Seems fresh or unprocessed tobacco, is enjoyable, does not reek of a burnt garbage smell, ( I hate cigarettes with a passion ) yet even I can tolerate it if someone smokes fresh or high quality tobacco in a car, I'll even go as far as saying I've enjoyed a cigarette of same, but to me that cigarette is more like a cigar, I don't smoke, rarely a good cigar, the point is, what in hell is in what RJ Reynolds, Philip Morris produces anyway, floor sweepings, embalming fluid (formaldehyde sp ?) ????
I'd be proud to grow tobacco, for use like I mentioned, moderate or occasional use for enjoyment, not for an addiction fueled feign like rampage on ones self. The scant few times I've experienced real tobacco, it ain't like what is in mass produced cigarettes, I don't get it, someone enlighten me here, what in hell is it with mass produced cigarettes, they just reek of garbage ?
My elderly mother has smoked since the 50's, and I'll tell you what, that smoking room is brown with tar, literally coating the walls. She's got a hacking cough that is just unreal, and is just wrinkled up burnt crisp from what they call cigarettes, I know many people who smoke, some heavily and they have aged dramatically, their appearance reflects the habit. My mother, there is no stopping her, she does not get it period, she sits in a smoke filled room and puffs away. The cost of cigarettes is unreal now, the health effects from cancer which she's had, + all the other known health effects, it makes no sense to me at all.
Again, what the tobacco companies call tobacco and what a farmer grows, obviously I know nothing about it, but what should come directly from the plant into what you are going to smoke, compared to what they mass produce, something ain't right there. 400 known chemicals in what they produce, how does that compare to the raw plant analysis say when burned ?
Some people live to 100 and smoke, others it chokes out young, I mean its a gamble, now take the other favorite smoking material, Willie Nelson's favorite, more tar, not sure on the chemicals, there is plenty of that going on, mass produced, or grown carefully by the end user for their own use, obviously not the healthiest thing, but what is ?, he seems to be doing ok, (well we don't really know that) like was said, dust, used oil, welding and the like, we all try to minimize our exposure, in moderation probably a lot less harmful.
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