Posted by IOWA NORTHEAST on February 12, 2011 at 18:35:44 from (206.72.18.89):
I had a class a few months ago on cave ins,and humans trapped in the trench.
Just so everyone has the updated procedure it is probably different than you would expect. You never uncover anything but the guys face and head. AND never with a machine, as it increases compaction, and often the heads are removed by someone trying to do what is best.
A shovel is the only tool used, and never remove them until it is timed with the ambulance arrival, or chopper. There are very few hospitals equiped to treat these folks---even though they are out of the trench, and talking to their loved ones, saying they are OK. They are on a very fast race to death. This is not a error on my behalf saying they were talking to their loved ones, and seem to be OK.
This is the procedure, even though many folks have been so proud they got them out in only three minutes, they probably are guilty of killing the person in the trench. (THIS HAPPENS VERY OFTEN)
This is usualy uncalled for, as the trench should no doubt be secured as the laws state, but we all know that costs extra time and labor.
I probably can not answer all the questions, but I can give anyone a phone number of the lady who teaches the class. She is a super nice lady, but if she sees a trench with someone in it, and no shoring, she will make the call.
She is involved with all the cave in deaths in Iowa if I got it right.
I think the rule is, a foot down needs a foot sideways, or something like that.
I have run backhoes alot, and I guess I gambled alot more than I probably should have.
I was trapped once only knee deep, and I can't explain how much pressure there was. I was almost certian I could just lift my legs in that mud if you would have asked me before hand.
I was not the operator, or even involved before hand, rather was at the job site, where the ambulance was at the same farm for a cave in twice within twenty four hrs...same hole only six foot deep.
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