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Geoff NY

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CNKS

06-07-2006 18:19:57




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Looks like no one answered your frame width question. This is an apple and orange thing, but maybe it will inspire someone to do some measuring. I am comparing a Super H to a 460, not an SWD 6 to a 560, or late model TD 6. The widest point of my 460 C221 block is 13 inches, excluding the place for the dipstick. The distance between the frame rails on my Super H is 15 inches, on my M about 16 1/2 inches (too much in the way to get a straight shot). This means that the C221 will fit between the frame rails of a Super H, or an H for that matter, unless the dipstick housing is in the way. Surely someone can measure between the frame rails on a 560. I bet a D282 will fit between the rails on your SWD 6, but someone needs to measure. Someone can (and probably will) correct me, but I think the dimensions of the block, from the C221 to the D301 are about the same -- that one should get a response). From what you said it looks like the start on gas 4 cylinder diesel was used about 10 years longer in the TD 6 than in anything else.

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Nat 2

06-08-2006 05:11:03




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 Re: Geoff NY in reply to CNKS, 06-07-2006 18:19:57  
What question are you talking about? There's nothing from GeoffNY anywhere in the first 4 pages of posts. I would've remembered a question like that.

Here's a piece of info that may put the kaybosh on putting a D282 in a SWD6 right off: The W6 had a cast iron bathtub chassis, not frame rails. I'm not sure about the SWD6 or SW6. To install a D282, you're going to have to extend the frame rails, no doubt. How do you propose to extend the cast chassis, if your tractor is so equipped? It's a different story with steel frame rails, as those are easy to weld on.

I am not sure, but I believe the first "W" series tractor to have real frame rails is the SW6TA, or the W-400.

The bell housing is the same between the SM and SW6, and you can bolt a 560 front end to an M/SM rear end, so with a 560 rear engine plate, the D282 should bolt right up in back.

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Geoff NY

06-08-2006 13:14:13




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 Re: Geoff NY in reply to Nat 2, 06-08-2006 05:11:03  
Nat 2, SWD 6 changed from "bathtub" to frame rails in "53.



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CNKS

06-08-2006 05:39:25




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 Re: Geoff NY in reply to Nat 2, 06-08-2006 05:11:03  
The SWD6 has frame rails, unlike the original 6 series, he has the tractor so he should know, I have only seen pictures -- the original post is on page 5 or 6 by now -- Geoff already knows the other details. I'm just trying to get someone to answer his original question, which was something like "Will a D282 fit between the frame rails of a SWD6?"



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Dave Slater

06-08-2006 09:18:13




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 Re: Geoff NY in reply to CNKS, 06-08-2006 05:39:25  
If he has a SW6 with frame rails (they made SW6 both ways) it will work. Use 560 farmall parts on rear of engine and it will bolt up to his tractor and SW6 clutch will work on 560 flywheel. Modified frame rails,steering linkage,hood and other things from there.



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Nat 2

06-08-2006 09:10:28




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 Re: Geoff NY in reply to CNKS, 06-08-2006 05:39:25  
Then the simple answer is, YES.

The SWD6 has the same frame width as a Super M, as the both use the same bell housing and transmission. The Super M has the same frame width as a 560. The D282 was the standard diesel engine in a 560, so it will definitely fit in a SWD6, provided you lengthen the frame adequately, or use 560 frame rails.

I'm surprised that nobody knew that right off the top of their head.

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RustyFarmall

06-08-2006 11:02:17




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 Re: Geoff NY in reply to Nat 2, 06-08-2006 09:10:28  
NAT2, it is quite obvious that you did not know the answer off the top of your head, but you sure gave some answers irregardless of your knowledge.



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Nat 2

06-08-2006 14:12:21




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 Re: Geoff NY in reply to RustyFarmall, 06-08-2006 11:02:17  
I really don't know how to take that comment... Are you commending me for making the effort, or are you putting me down for speaking out of place?

Nothing I said was incorrect, was it? W6 cast bathtub chassis, check. Wasn't sure when the Super W6's changed over to frame rails, check. 560 and M/6 series tractors same frame width, check. D282 fits between frame rails on M/6 series tractors, check. Nope, nothing incorrect or misleading.

After it was confirmed that this SWD6 has frame rails, it was a matter of simple logic combined with a little knowledge about the "small frame" tractors to conclude that it was indeed possible to "crowbar" a D282 into an SWD6 with the appropriate modifications.

Truth be told, I didn't see the original posting, or I would've just put the same response there. Must've been over the weekend when I don't usually check the board.

Sorry if I spoke out of place or offended anyone.

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CNKS

06-08-2006 05:46:57




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 Re: Geoff NY in reply to CNKS, 06-08-2006 05:39:25  
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