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41JDb

01-18-2006 10:57:21

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Well most of the cost was:
$150 to buy and tune up a mag
$300 to buy a rim, wheel, hub, and tube. And painting it
$250 to rebuild my carb at burry.
$200 to rebuild the clutch which was completely destroyed including the crankshaft.
The rest of the money went to other things such as gaskets and miscellaneous parts.

It is very easy to spend $1000 even when getting the best prices possible

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Mike M

01-18-2006 11:42:50

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Re: This is how I spent it in reply to 41JDb, 01-18-2006 10:57:21

That cost break down looks a little better than the first report of only the three items.

Were you completely missing a mag. ?

There's alot of ways to trim money off of that carb. job.

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G/MAN

01-18-2006 13:26:03

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Re: This is how I spent it in reply to Mike M, 01-18-2006 11:42:50

Why don't you cut the kid some slack already? If the carburetor was a complete rust-ball with all the passages thoroughly plugged with rust and corrosion, loose shaft bushings and everything else, and a person doesn't have the knowledge, information or tools to properly fix it, then sending one to a place like Robert's is pretty cost-effective. We've done it with basket-case carburetors customers have brought into us, in fact. For some reason, we can't make our $60 per hour labor rate pencil out when Robert's will make one like new for $200 or so and guarantee it. And yes, some people buy tractors that are missing pieces - my "G" didn't have a mag. Or a starter. Or a flywheel shield. Or about a dozen other items, and what it did have was cobbled together in many cases. It's too bad this kid is getting more grief for his subsequent posts than the original one. I'm sure he's becoming VERY impressed with we John Deere guys...

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Mike M

01-18-2006 16:58:37

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Re: This is how I spent it in reply to G/MAN, 01-18-2006 13:26:03

You seem to think I'm giving him grief ? Well I'm not and I know my social skills are lacking as are my spelling and grammer. But my tractor skills are 2nd to none. I do everything I can myself.It gives me pride a in self accomplishment that I want this kid to also have. Plus I can save him a bunch of money.I'm sure at least $200 savings on the carb. alone !
So what if he doesn't even know where the carb. is ? I didn't at first either ! I bought some service manuals and READ them ! Or borrow them and make photo copies of certain areas.Then got my hands on a tractor and went to work. Sure I made some mistakes that's how you learn and if your paying attention you learn not to make the same ones twice. 75% or better of the questions asked on these forums could be self answered by reading some books first. Then ask more specific questions and get more specific answers that make more sense because you then have a clue what someone is talking about. The books will cover the basics first. Then tips and short cuts and suggestions can be handed down and passed on from those before you.

If you or him or anyone else doesn't believe what I say or understand it at first and flys off the handle without understanding so be it. Your loss. I just have too much spare time on my hands and shouldn't be messing around on these forums so much. That's MY loss.

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G/MAN

01-19-2006 07:24:51

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Re: This is how I spent it in reply to Mike M, 01-18-2006 16:58:37

Telling him he could save money on a job that's already done and paid for is pretty much redundant, isn't it? He paid $250 to have the carb rebuilt, and you'll do it for less than $50 with the same results? How many do you want me to send you? Absolutely getting the manuals is the proper thing to do. I've posted that time and again, haven't I? I'm happy for you that you can work on your own tractors. I do it for a living, AND as a hobby. I guess that's "my loss".

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Mike M

01-19-2006 07:53:44

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Re: This is how I spent it in reply to G/MAN, 01-19-2006 07:24:51

GMAN ;Get off your high horse and read what I have written. I would like to TEACH HIM to TEACH HIMSELF to do it himself this would of only cost $50.00 in parts average. He was the one who posted worried about how much money HE has been spending on it. It's maybe too late for this carb. NOW , but what about the next one or the next thing that's bad on this one ? HUH What's he going to do then ! Bring it into your dealership carrying a jar of vaseline and backing in the door ? He doesn't have the funds for that !

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G/MAN

01-19-2006 10:22:21

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Re: This is how I spent it in reply to Mike M, 01-19-2006 07:53:44

I'm supposed to get off MY high horse? That's funny - I'm not the one bragging about my "tractor skills" being second to none. You are. I'm all for people doing jobs themselves - there are piddly little jobs that I have to do from time to time that I'd rather not and the owner could easily do himself, unless it's beyond their current capabilities and equipment/tool inventory, in which case they're pretty likely to screw it up worse and cost themselves MORE than it would have cost to have somebody else do it correctly, in the long run. Regardless of your "tractor skills", your teaching skills are sorely lacking. You don't teach by effective saying "boy, you really got hosed paying $1000 to get that thing running so far. I could have saved you this much and that much." That's a pretty darn good way to make someone just give up, if they think they're going to be second-guessed every time they ask a question or relate an experience. You teach by encouraging someone to seek good advice and assistance and take it. But since you've got this one sewn up and know it all, I'll just bow out and let you lead the kid down the path of knowledge and wisdom. There's probably not much that a professional JD technician with 12 years of formal training and experience can tell a self-taught genius like yourself...

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Mike M

01-19-2006 11:52:16

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Re: This is how I spent it in reply to G/MAN, 01-19-2006 10:22:21

It ain't BRAGGING IF YOU CAN DO IT !!!!!

It may not be a high horse ? but you must be HIGH on something ?

I never said he got hosed on his $1000 I did ask him what he got for that money. He originally only listed 3 items. When asked the list grew considerably and the priced dropped to only $950 total. That changed the math alot. And yes it was too late to save him money this trip and I hope Your fight with me hasn't scared him off. And I hope I can help him in the future if he wants.

And 12 years with a dealer is commendable.But you ought to try those years out on your own where you pay for your own mistakes when and if made and don't have a dealership running coverup for you.

I would of liked to bowed out long ago ,but keep trying to no avail,to defend myself and straighten out your notion of somehow I WANTED to cause this kid more greif. It just seems like you think I'm some sort of monster or something I'm not.

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G/MAN

01-19-2006 13:33:38

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Re: This is how I spent it in reply to Mike M, 01-19-2006 11:52:16

Sorry, but I don't NEED a dealership running coverup for me. My rework is consistently next to nonexistent, and my efficiency is consistently at or near the highest in the shop. And that ain't bragging, because I can do it. Screwups happen, but I don't believe I've ever had one that cost more than maybe a few hundred bucks to put right. And if you think every independent guy is paying for his screwups, you're wrong. Never heard of liability insurance? How about those extra little charges that get tacked on to every work order? You're free to take a little field trip and tag along whenever you feel like it. Anybody can sit in their garage and tinker with two-bangers and be a self-proclaimed expert. Head out to the corn field with nothing but the tools in your truck sometime to work on something, and you'll get a little different perspective. I don't intend to work for a dealership forever, but I'm also fortunate that I like what I do well enough that I don't really even consider it work, but rather an ongoing education that I'm getting paid to receive. I also don't see too many shadetree independent guys working on 8000-Twenty tractors, 60-series combines and so forth. "A"s to 8520s, there aren't too many JD tractor models I haven't worked on in my 6+ years of wrenching on Deeres. Once again, that's not bragging either.

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41JDb

01-18-2006 17:22:57

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Give me some credit in reply to Mike M, 01-18-2006 16:58:37

I never meant to start a riot with my second posting I only meant to say that I only wanted to know what something like that will bring. Don't think I am an dumb and throwing away money as I shop around as much as possible. It may be a bad thing to say that I dont know where the carburetor is as I do and I just figured it would be better done professionally rather than me doing something half way after watching $85 worth or robert's carburetor videos. The mag on the tractor could not be salvaged as it was cracked and rusted to pieces on the inside. On disassembly nearly every screw broke off so a used one had to be purchased.

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G/MAN

01-19-2006 10:30:44

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Re: Give me some credit in reply to 41JDb, 01-18-2006 17:22:57

You're doing the best you can, and that says a lot right there. If the magneto was in that bad of shape, then another unit was probably definitely the way to go. Two-cylinder carbs are relatively simple, but there are tricks to them just like anything else, and if they're completely full of junk, they need to be stripped down and all the passages cleaned out with properly-sized drill bits, etc. If one comes in the shop in decent condition, it's not a big deal to clean it up and re-kit it, and I've done a few that way in addition to a couple of my own. But if a customer brings in a complete basket-case, we're sure not going to bend him over for the parts and 3 or 4 hours of labor ($180-$240 right there) to get it back in shape when we can ship it to Robert's and have it back in less than a week in like-new condition and having been test-ran. Dealerships have a leg up when doing business with him, as he realizes there could be a tractor taking up space in a revenue-producing shop while he's got the carb. If you haven't already, do yourself a failure and spend a little money on the proper service, operator's and parts manuals for your tractor. The parts books alone go a long way toward explaining how various things work, as you can see the pieces in relation to each other, and parts guys really like being able to punch in a number rather than try to guess what you're after. Good luck with the "B", and don't hesitate to ask questions.

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Mike M

01-19-2006 02:46:25

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Re: Give me some credit in reply to 41JDb, 01-18-2006 17:22:57

What the Heck is going on here ? How do you ever think I insulted you ? I just used that phrase as an example and also stated that I at one time did not know what or where one was.

Did you guys come out of the womb knowing everything ????? ????? ????? ????? ????? ?????

And on the credit side your young,care about tractors,your wanting to fix this one because it has some history,and $150 for a rebuilt mag. because yours was junk sounds good too ! Now go pat yourself on the back for what you have done ! Then get back to work on that tractor fix it right,don't cut quality,cut costs ! And in the end don't worry about what it's worth in dollars and cents. It's value is far greater than that !!

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G/MAN

01-19-2006 10:24:05

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Re: Give me some credit in reply to Mike M, 01-19-2006 02:46:25

Kind of odd that more than one person seems to think you were giving him a hard time, isn't it? When does the "teaching" begin???

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