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A. Bohemian

05-07-2007 11:23:10




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Ron: Thanks for the info.

First off, you should know that there are levels of expertise on this board. I personally would defer to Dell, Hugh, old, a couple of Jims, and many many others.

In turn I have some more questions. Does the missing seem regular, or is it erratic? Does it occure more at idle, higher speeds, or is it the same at all speeds?

Early in the diagnostic process I like to try the simple tests first.

Check the fuel flow. I like to pull the drain plug as this tests flow through the whole system up to the carb throat. When you pull the drain plug you should see a steady flow about the diameter of the fuel line. I'd run a gallon or so through and look for inconsistencies.

If your fuel flow checks out, next you might consider trying to isolate the problem to one cylinder. You can do this at the same time you check for good spark by using the following procedure:

Start at the front, by the radiator. Pull the spark line from the plug. Take a spark plug with the gap adjusted all the way out to 3/16" and pop the line onto it. Hold the plug next to the block and crank. You should see a nice blue spark jump the full 3/4".

While you have the line disconnected, listen CAREFULLY to the engine run. Is the engine running about the same? The problem is likely to be in cylinder number one.

Is the missing worse? The problem is not likely to be exclusive to cylinder number one. Write down your observations and replace the spark line. Then move on to cylinder two and perform the same tests. If necessary, continue down the line, always replacing the previously tested line before disconnecting the next one.

The idea is not to mix up the firing order (1243). If in the course of this examination you find that someone HAS mixed up the firing order, you've probably found your problem.

If, after running the above spark test, it is found that removing the spark wire from each cylinder in turn DOES NOT affect the way the engine runs, the problem is likely to be in systems common to all cylinders.

Finally, I should certainly point out that many including myself have found the ignition switches on Ford tractors problematic. If the above fuel test reveals nothing, and you seem to have weak spark, you could try replacing the ignition switch before doing a wholesale tune up.

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Ron11

05-07-2007 12:15:01




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 Re: Thanks For the Quick Reply in reply to A. Bohemian, 05-07-2007 11:23:10  
A.B. The missing is continuous not erractic. I will follow your instructions on the diagnostics test and let you know what I find. Thanks for the help!!



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old

05-07-2007 12:52:25




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 Re: Thanks For the Quick Reply in reply to Ron11, 05-07-2007 12:15:01  
Ron is you can start the engine up. Then pull one plug wire at a time, putting it back on after each time. Doing that will tell you where the miss is. Be careful because it can and will zap the $%^%^ out of you if your not careful. Then when you know which cylinder has the miss pull that plug out and make sure it looks good, not covered in oil etc. Also check to make sure that plug has a nice brite blue spark. If it doesn't then you may have a bad plug and or plug wire.

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Ron11

05-07-2007 13:16:02




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 Re: Thanks For the Quick Reply in reply to old, 05-07-2007 12:52:25  
Old - How do I pull the plug wires without getting the &#$%^&* shocked out of me? (I have had that happen before and it was not pleasant) What would you do?

Ron11



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A. Bohemian

05-07-2007 14:09:27




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 Re: Thanks For the Quick Reply in reply to Ron11, 05-07-2007 13:16:02  
I think old is telling you the same basic things I am, but he's a lot more concise.

The fact that the missing is consistent means it is likely to be limited to one cylinder.

I usually shut off the engine to pull the wires; old may know something I don't.



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old

05-07-2007 14:05:24




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 Re: Thanks For the Quick Reply in reply to Ron11, 05-07-2007 13:16:02  
Well one way is the pliers that are made just for that. Another way that works some times but not always is a good pair of gloves.



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murn ga

05-07-2007 15:27:50




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 Re: Thanks For the Quick Reply in reply to old, 05-07-2007 14:05:24  
A long screw driver to ground the plug to the head will do the same job,right?



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old

05-07-2007 15:33:44




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 Re: Thanks For the Quick Reply in reply to murn ga, 05-07-2007 15:27:50  
Ya if you can keep it ground and pull the wire at the same time. If for just a moment it looses ground then you get bit



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A. Bohemian

05-07-2007 11:35:18




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 Clarification in reply to A. Bohemian, 05-07-2007 11:23:10  
Quote: "If, after running the above spark test, it is found that removing the spark wire from each cylinder in turn DOES NOT affect the way the engine runs, the problem is likely to be in systems common to all cylinders."

I probably should have written, "If, after running the above test, it is found that removing the spark line from each cylinder has the same result regardless of which line is removed, then the problem is likely to be in systems common to all cylinders."

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