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herb storrs

04-28-2006 07:49:56

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There have been some posts here regarding some tractor paints, like CIH 2150, which are supposed to be acrylic modified alkyds, rather than plain ol' alkyds, and as a result, several notches better than the older alkyds though not as good as real acrylics.

However, looking at these paints, I can't see anything on the label or ingredients to suggest they are any different than the paints everyone else is selling. Can anyone clarify?

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mace56

04-29-2006 18:45:53

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Sherwin Williams in reply to herb storrs, 04-28-2006 07:49:56

has anyone tried Sherwin Williams lines? Their fleet (trucks) finish site listed a cross match to Orange PPG 60080, Allis PO #1. My son says the industrial guys use their paints a lot in big waterworks projects.
The automotive stuff just seems like a quantum leap from Alklyds. Would be nice to find durable finishes for stuff that never had a clearcoat look anyways.

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Jason(ma)

04-30-2006 14:47:31

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Re: Sherwin Williams in reply to mace56 , 04-29-2006 18:45:53

Here is some work I did a while ago on persian orange. The dupont and Napa are supposed to be direct crosses to PPG's 60080. I've been told that Napa and Sherman Willams are the same. I do have a code for a napa that is closer to being match, I stopped looking for a match in napa. It would be nice if someone would come up with one.

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CNKS

04-29-2006 19:33:21

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Re: Sherwin Williams in reply to mace56 , 04-29-2006 18:45:53

I haven't, but the the three major paint companies, PPG, DuPont, and Sherwin Williams are competitive and equivalent. I have PPG and DuPont dealers, but not Sherwin Williams. Some differences in paint lines, and differences in procedures, and convenience of application so I have read. You will find what you need from any one of them.

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unioncreek

04-29-2006 07:51:27

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Re: Acrylic modified Alkyd? in reply to herb storrs, 04-28-2006 07:49:56

I painted a radiator support on a 72 Ford pickup with the black CIH paint. It was a pickup that we used for everything and sat outside all the time. When I sold it 6 years later it was still as bright and shiny as when I painted it.

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CNKS

04-29-2006 13:06:08

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Re: Acrylic modified Alkyd? in reply to unioncreek, 04-29-2006 07:51:27

It's mostly sheltered from sunlight, if you would have painted the whole pickup, it would have faded. Alkyd enamel is not a disaster when taken care of, there are simply better paints now.

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CNKS

04-28-2006 08:30:15

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Re: Acrylic modified Alkyd? in reply to herb storrs, 04-28-2006 07:49:56

I am one of those who mentioned those. My thoughts in mentioning it was to give people a choice that theoretically is better than straight alkyd enamel, but that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. But, I have not used any except for color matching. I purchased a quart of 2150, it says only "enamel" on the can. I ordered it from Carter and Gruenwald as my CIH dealer no longer stocks 2150, I would have to have taken 5 quarts. The gallon cans he used to have said "acrylic modified" on them -- so I don't know, perhaps IH has gone back to the old alkyd, but I am certainly not sure of that. Does what you have seen just say enamel? The paint is made by Valspar, I have not looked for any information on it, you might contact them. The link, toward the top, has PPG ALK 200, it should be similar to 2150; the one with hardener is 200/201. Someone on this forum has used the PPG version and was satisfied with it, perhaps he will see this post. There is also a thread on the Red Power Magazine Farmall forum, page 2 or after, entitled 2150 LF yuk, yuk, yuk -- all kinds of comments, you might read it. www.redpowermagazine.com.

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herb storrs

04-28-2006 10:00:55

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Re: Acrylic modified Alkyd? in reply to CNKS, 04-28-2006 08:30:15

The paints I saw were all described as enamal, but nothing else.

Another mystery is that if you google acrylic modified alkyds most of what you'll find will be about water based paints - apparently acrylic is used with alkyds mainly to make them water soluable.

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CNKS

04-28-2006 14:27:55

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Re: Acrylic modified Alkyd? in reply to herb storrs, 04-28-2006 10:00:55

There are all sorts of combinations, I have enough trouble painting with one, so I don't experiment much. The modified acrylic enamels I mentioned - 2150, et al are not water based, I'm not saying they don't exist. The link is a thread from last summer when I was trying to find out what they were. Pay particular attention to Frank Stalfire's comment, he is a DuPont rep that knows his business.

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herb storrs

04-29-2006 06:08:17

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Re: Acrylic modified Alkyd? in reply to CNKS, 04-28-2006 14:27:55

Good thread, considerably clarifies things. I've spent quite a bit of time searching the archives, but missed that one.

I'm probably overcomplicating what should be a simple "20/20" paint job, but I just can't help thinking there ought now to be a better choice than the alkyds, that would offer us brush-and-rattlecan guys better durability for not too much more money.

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CNKS

04-29-2006 13:10:24

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Re: Acrylic modified Alkyd? in reply to herb storrs, 04-29-2006 06:08:17

The "economy" acrylic enamels are ok, can be used without hardener.

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