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souNdguy

06-07-2006 18:07:14

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Well you can't sand it tacky...

On your gun.. Keep a piece of test metal around, and set it out when you paint. Every time I paint i set out a piece od sheet metal and use it to get my air setting on my gun correct, and ballance my reducer to a paint viscosity that will work for my project. Might waste an ounce of paint or two.. but it sure beats sanding down a project and doing it over again..

I paint with a cheapy gun too.. you can get decent results.. most of it depends on your surface prep...

Soundguy

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Tom Lawless

06-14-2006 18:07:43

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Re: Too much paint in reply to souNdguy, 06-07-2006 18:07:14

Well, I bit the bullet again and using all suggestions, it worked. I was as happy as a pig in mud until I came here to tell you guys. First thing I saw was an old forum about how lousy the paint I used named BPS from Tractor Supply was. I just got off the phone with TSC and they don't sell any clear protective paint. Can that clear enamel from Rustoleum or any other company be put on enamel that has been mixed with hardener? You guys got me through the tough part, I hope you can help me end this job on the happy note I was in a bit ago. Once again, thanks for all the previous help. I did find that oven cleaner takes paint down to bare metal, and gets grease and old gaskets off.

Tom

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CNKS

06-14-2006 18:38:02

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Re: Too much paint in reply to Tom Lawless, 06-14-2006 18:07:43

That type paint (alkyd enamel) used to be factory paint, used on cars and trucks from the 30's into the 70's? If you keep your tractor inside, and keep it waxed as souNdguy suggests, it will last a long time. It's main problem is it has no UV (sunlight) inhibitors thus it will fade if not protected. The "newer" paints, such as acrylic urethane have UV inhibitors, better flowout and the resulting higher gloss. The economy lines cost 3 or 4 times what you paid, but are worth the money. The expensive versions are $250-$300 a gallon.

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CNKS

06-14-2006 18:47:55

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Re: Too much paint in reply to CNKS, 06-14-2006 18:38:02

I didn't answer your question. Read the clear coat question by MDM, 2 threads above this one. As to the Rustoleum, I don't know if it has UV inhibitors in it. The more expensive ones do, but pay attention to what B-maniac said. If I were you I would quit while I'm ahead, and wax it in 6 months or so.

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souNdguy

06-14-2006 18:17:03

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Re: Too much paint in reply to Tom Lawless, 06-14-2006 18:07:43

Don't feel too bad about that BPS paint. All my tractors are wearing it. it makes decent cheap work clothes.. and with a little wax and parking it under a shed.. it will even dress up and do parade duty.

If you used hardner with your bps paint, it should have a fairly decent luster and gloss to it. Once it is fully cured.. deffinately fully cured.. ..fully fully cured... wax and buff it.. should look good.

I've had quite a few of my tractors at shows... while my 300-400$ paint job doesn't compair with the 800+$ paint jobs some o fthe pro's have.. it sets pretty nicely with the 'bulk' of the rest..

Soundguy

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Tom Lawless

06-14-2006 18:57:30

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Re: Too much paint in reply to souNdguy, 06-14-2006 18:17:03

Another thought. Could I rough it up with 3m 400 grit sandpaper and go over the current paint with good paint?

Tom

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CNKS

06-14-2006 19:31:33

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Re: Too much paint in reply to Tom Lawless, 06-14-2006 18:57:30

Don't do that, the new paint may not be compatible with the old, then you will have a real mess. Sometimes there are problems even using the same paint, depending on the recoat interval -- again, quit while you are ahead, if you do another tractor, you can use better paint.

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souNdguy

06-14-2006 19:07:55

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Re: Too much paint in reply to Tom Lawless, 06-14-2006 18:57:30

If ya just painted it.. why not just wear that out.if you are gonna pay the money to repaint.. at least get the years out of this paint first.. the cost in the end will be the same.. only difference is that one scenereo will be years down the road..

I don't see why intact paint can't be used as primer. I've painted over intact paint before...

Soundguy

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Tom Lawless

06-14-2006 19:18:35

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Re: Too much paint in reply to souNdguy, 06-14-2006 19:07:55

I said I was stupid! He he You are 100% correct. I will keep it clean and dry. I guess we OLD farmers just want to show off how much we can do in our old age.

Thanks and take care,

Bald headed idiot
Quitman, TX

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CNKS

06-14-2006 19:39:34

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Re: Too much paint in reply to Tom Lawless, 06-14-2006 19:18:35

You are not stupid, bald headed maybe, idiot no. I went through this whole thing 5 years ago, many of the same questions. Only difference was I asked the questions before I painted. My previous painting experience was a 76 Chevy pickup that I "painted" nearly 20 years before that scared me away from painting for the 20 years -- then I WAS stupid.

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souNdguy

06-14-2006 19:32:29

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Re: Too much paint in reply to Tom Lawless, 06-14-2006 19:18:35

Stupid? NAaaaa.. just got too much energy!!

That cheapey paint should get you at -least- a few years down the road in the elements.. and if you wax it and keep it under a pole barn.. or lean-too.. or even a tarp shade structure.. Ya might be surprised at how many years you get.

By the way... don't feel too bad about that BPS paint. I've got a NH 7610s built in 2002. It is under cover, and the factory CNH paint on it is faded dull, and worn thru to the primer in areas where my arms contact the fenders.. etc... That's only 4 years and the OEM paint looks worse than my cheap BPS painted tractors.. that have gone for a few more years so far.. and still havn't faded..

Soundguy

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Tom Lawless

06-14-2006 19:50:37

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Re: Too much paint in reply to souNdguy, 06-14-2006 19:32:29

Thank you to you two fellows AGAIN. If you were here I'd give you all the beer, soda, and BBQ you could consume. I REALLY appreciate the help.

Tom

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Tom Lawless

06-14-2006 18:54:45

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Re: Too much paint in reply to souNdguy, 06-14-2006 18:17:03

Thanks. Is there a Clear Coat made that will adhere to it and not flake off. I have worked this old butt off for over a month doing this stupid brainstorm I got, so I hate the thought of it fading away. I cannot believe it is the same paint as I used in the 40's and 50's. They should not be allowed to sell it. My cars back then used to rust if it smelled wet outside.

Tom

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souNdguy

06-14-2006 19:05:11

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Re: Too much paint in reply to Tom Lawless, 06-14-2006 18:54:45

It's older tech alkyd paint.. but you know what.. it fills a niche.. People need a cheaper paint source for some things. The average workin' tractor doesn't need an 800-1000$ apint job to drive thru the weeds... 100-200$ is fine.

Keep your paint waxed... it will last many years.

My 8n, the first one I painted is going on 6 years now.. paint hasn't degraded except where it has been gouged .. etc.... just keep waxing and buffing.

I've had no rust thru problems on metal I properly treated. metal that is not prepped good will rust no matter what price you pay for your paint.

I'm not familiar with clear coats.. but keep in mind.. your hardner was a gloss and luster addative..

( The local paint guru will probably know.. but I'm guessing your catylized and cured paint will be a decent base for another paint product... etc.. )

Soundguy

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