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Jeff

04-08-2002 17:23:15




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Hi paint pros,
I have been taking a painstakingly long time to get a first class restoration on my Allis C. Can you tell me the best brand of paint to use to get the finest finish available, as well as the truest Persain Orange color? Also, what primer should I use?
Thank you for any help you can give me.

Jeff




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Rod (NH)

04-08-2002 19:46:11




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 Re: Need Painting help! in reply to Jeff, 04-08-2002 17:23:15  
Hi Jeff,

I think you should be more concerned about paint types rather than brands. Since you say you want to go first class, I think you are definitely into the automotive paints and NOT the tractor enamels. With that said, it is my opinion that type is more important than brand. The major suppliers to the auto refinish industry such as DuPont, PPG and Martin Senour all have competitive products in each price range and one is not really "better" than the other at similar type and price levels.

How much do you want to spend? If the sky is the limit, then you want the high end urethanes…DuPont’s Imron or, as IHman says, PPG’s Deltron. Make sure you have a fat wallet before going down this path though. Start to think over $1000 just for the paint products! You are also unlikely to get those paints mixed to any of the old tractor colors too, at least not anymore, unless you have a computerized analysis done on a paint sample. Both DuPont and PPG now have a "second tier" of paints that are good quality and at a lower cost. DuPont’s line is called NASON and PPG’s is called OMNI. The older tractor mix formulations are available for mixing in each of these lines. For the early AC pumpkin shade of orange...AC Persian Orange, sometimes referred to as Persian #1...you want PPG OMNI #60080. That is available as an acrylic enamel #MAE60080 and as an acrylic urethane #MTK60080. The MAE can be used with or without the hardener. The MTK requires the hardener. The current automotive world would consider these to be "low end" paints but that is, of course relative. You probably can keep the total cost for paint materials to around $500 or less here.

I agree fully with IHman regarding epoxy primer. Scroll down the page a-ways for a specific thread on epoxy primer for more details.

I disagree with him though on respiratory protection if you are going to use hardeners in the top coat. The epoxy primer is free from isocyanates and the twin chemical cartridge respirator is adequate. The topcoats that use hardeners have isocyanates in them. This is real bad stuff. You shouldn’t be using it at all unless you have a supplied-air respirator. For additional reference to isocyanates and respiratory protection, see the link below for a prior thread.

Rod

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IHman

04-08-2002 18:07:58




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 Re: Need Painting help! in reply to Jeff, 04-08-2002 17:23:15  

PPG Deltron is great paint, but expensive.....Its automotive grade.Although most auto body paint & body supply stores sell a cheaper brand paint line for about 1/2 the cost. Use an expoxy 2 part primer, mix exactly as indicated on the can with both the paint and primer and you'll be OK....if you try and short cut the ratio of mix your asking for a disaster. wear a GOOD filter mask with lots of ventilation modern paints with hardners and epoxy primers hard on lungs ALWAYS wear a good twin filtered mask.....

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