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john in la

07-10-2004 04:16:26




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This is for your reading entertainment only

Hello Guys....
Just wanted to update you all on my progress since my last two post Here and Here.

While reading post on this board I expected the OMNI MAE to cost more but by how much I did not know so when I came up with a price of $400 for Omni MAE and $150 for PPG commercial and $100 for tractor paint I thought I was right on.

With your persistence and help with detailed and thought out responses to my post I have now seen my mistakes and can see it differently. I was adding apples to oranges before because I was leaving out many things on some of my quotes such as all the different gun cleaners needed to spray different products and even the 181 surfacer in the tractor paint quote.

I had never got a quote for MAE from my local store that gave me the quote on the ALK-200 thinking the store in a large town would be cheaper because of competition. I went to the local store today to get a quote on MAE and found out the store in the big city was charging me list price as you all suspected.

Now with the new prices and trying to add apples to apples let me show you where I am at. I printed out all the tech sheets for products I was considering and studied them. I noticed if I use tractor paint or PPG commercial paint I need a different gun cleaner for the epoxy primer and paint and even a different one for the surfacer. This drives up the cost of the total job and I was not even considering it before. I have also bumped my paint to 3 qts red and 2 qts gray which I feel should be enough.

WALTS tractor paint..... .
3 qts red 2 qts gray + shipping. $80.00 (no tech sheet so I do not know how to thin)
1 gal MX190 cleaner; 1 qt MP181 surfacer and reducer; 1 Gal each of EPX900/901 epoxy primer; gun cleaner; mask all from local PPG. $131.92 for a total of $211.92 While I could reduce this price I can only do it by skipping steps.

PPG commercial paint..... .
1 gal red; 1 gal gray ALK200 RTS. (only comes in gallons RTS). EPX900/901 primer; MX190 cleaner; MP181 surfacer and reducer; gun cleaner and mask; Total $229.25

PPG OMNI MAE. (see if these prices are better) 1 gal MP170 primer.....…50.85
2 qts MP175 hardener.....19.04
1 qt MP181 surfacer....…12.50
2 qts MAE-A gray..... .…31.42
3 qts MAE-C red..... ..….68.82
2 gal MR187 reducer..….36.80
1 gal MX190 cleaner....…15.42
1-3M 7192 disp. filter.….20.86 ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----
TOTAL..... ..... ..... ..255.71

CHOICES..... .
1) Tractor paint 211.92
2) commercial paint 229.25 or + $17.33
3) OMNI MAE paint 255.71 or $26.43 more than #2 and $43.79 more than #1

So now the PPG sales person is still trying to sell me the ALK-200. She even sent me to a local place that rebuilds out board motors for their take on this line of paint. They use the ALK200/201 w/ hardener and say they love it. Wish I could find some one that has used both of these paints for a comparison but oh well. I think for $26.43 more I will take the advise of this board and step up to the OMNI MAE paint.

THANKS AGAIN GUYS FOR ALL THE HELP.

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El Toro

10-06-2005 17:44:13




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 Re: Back to PPG one more time in reply to john in la, 07-10-2004 04:16:26  
Hi John, How did your paint job turn out using
PPG paint? Hal



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Jim Ulmer

07-26-2004 23:06:20




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 Re: Back to PPG one more time in reply to john in la, 07-10-2004 04:16:26  
I just came across this thread while searching for some Omni information. FYI, you do not need special gun cleaner. $8 a gallon Wal-Mart lacquer thinner will clean up everything. The special stuff is usually used in emissions troubled cities.
I chat with a number of paint pros. They all seem to like Omni as an auto refinish product. I've used it once and it is easy to work with and looks very good. If there is a downside, you tractor will look BETTER than new.

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Cliff Neubauer

07-11-2004 19:12:10




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 Re: Back to PPG one more time in reply to john in la, 07-10-2004 04:16:26  
I just picked up a gallon of the MP-170 last week and although I forget the exact price what you mentioned seems pretty close. You might also want to check what a gallon of the red paint will cost, usually you can buy a gallon for almost the same price and anytime I have ever not purchased extra paint I have ended up needing more. Last fall I think I paid $68/gallon for the Omni MTK single stage urethane paint in IH red so the $68.82 sounds a little high for 3 quarts of the enamel but it sounds like you have done some shopping around so you might be stuck with that price.

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john in la

07-12-2004 18:03:22




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 Re: Re: Back to PPG one more time in reply to Cliff Neubauer, 07-11-2004 19:12:10  
Thanks for your input. I will check on the gallon of red. My bush hog could use a new coat anyway if I have some left over.



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john in la

07-10-2004 17:24:14




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 Re: Back to PPG one more time in reply to john in la, 07-10-2004 04:16:26  
While proof reading my post I see another mistake. The quote for the OMNI MAE epoxy primer MP175 is for 2 qts. I would only need 1 qt because it is a 2 to 1 mix. This brings the MAE quote down $9.52 to $246.19 or $16.94 more than the commerical stuff and $34.27 more than tractor paint. OMNI MAE is looking better all the time.



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Rod (NH)

07-10-2004 22:16:24




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 Re: Re: Back to PPG one more time in reply to john in la, 07-10-2004 17:24:14  
John,

You also don't need 2 gal of the 187 reducer. Look at the tech sheets again. The 181 is reduced 1:1 and the MAE is reduced 4:1 with the 187. The 6 total qts of topcoat and surfacer paint you are buying only requires 2-1/4 total qts of the 187. You'll have almost a gallon and a half left over if you buy 2 gal. Unless you have some use for that much excess reducer, I'd suggest you only buy 1 gal and use the almost 2 qts that will still be left over as a gun cleaner.

BTW, the 190 is a surface cleaner. It is not a gun cleaner. Not sure if you were thinking otherwise.

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john in la

07-11-2004 02:36:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Back to PPG one more time in reply to Rod (NH), 07-10-2004 22:16:24  
Thanks Rod..
Yes I relize the 190 is a surface wipe down to remove oil and finger prints ect.
I asked for her to bump the quote to 2 gals of 187 as a just in case. I would only buy 1 then the other if needed. I did this as I really do not know how much I would use for gun cleaning.



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