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Rod (NH)

07-17-2005 19:34:30




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As I said, I know nothing about Farmalls or their colors. I don't know what year or model that one was or if the color was "correct" or not. Here's an interesting comparison:
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The top portion is the tractor I took a picture of yesterday. The lower one is Daniel's. The small square overlays are from your picture of the 71310 - one is from the cover and the other is from inside the can itself. I don't see an orange tint in Daniel's tractor. I do in your cover shot. Actually, the view inside your can makes a fair match to Daniel's tractor. Considering all the variables we are dealing with here, of course. I do know that different digital camera sensors see some shades differently so this is only a fun exercise with no definite conclusion :o). It would be nice to also see that 71096, in comparison.

PPG's Delstar and DuPont's Centari are about as good as it gets in an acrylic enamel - in my opinion. It is significantly more expensive than the OMNI. I have used quite a bit of Delstar in the past but haven't been able to get it mixed at all anywhere in my area for several years. It does seem to be still available in the midwest however. If you can find it in your area, I think you would be pleased with it. Before you decide definitely on Delstar, I recommend you do a full cost comparison (in ready-to-spray quantities) with Concept acrylic urethane in PPG's Deltron Line. Comparative color-only prices are here for Delstar and here for Concept. If you find the RTS prices not much greater for the Concept, I'd go with the Concept simply because it is a true acrylic urethane rather than a urethane-modified acrylic enamel (Delstar w/hardener DXR80).

Although I have never done it myself, and usually don't recommend such things, I feel quite confident that you would have no problem applying either Delstar or Concept over either MP170 or MP182. If faced with the choice, I would do it myself, especially if I already had the primer and surfacer - I feel it is that low of a risk. What I would not do is use an OMNI hardener or reducer in either the Delstar or the Concept. I think that's a higher risk that's just asking for trouble. Use the proper mix ingredients for the product.

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CNKS

07-17-2005 20:10:00




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 Re: Fun With Colors in reply to Rod (NH), 07-17-2005 19:34:30  
The ability to use Concept over Omni primers "might" convince me to use Concept, given the apparant inconsistent results with Omni 71310. However Omni 71310 is about $120 with hardener, Concept, according to your link would be about $260 with hardener, for the red colors. Perhaps the additional $140 or so is not too much (if I don't screw it up). If I have to use the epoxy and surfacer in the Concept line, it is too expensive for me. There is a single stage Concept that you don't have to clear coat?

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Rod (NH)

07-17-2005 21:15:08




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 Re: Fun With Colors in reply to CNKS, 07-17-2005 20:10:00  
There are three products in the Deltron line. Two different basecoats that require clearcoating (DBC and DBU) and a single stage that does not (Concept, also know as DCC). The Concept by definition is a single stage. I have never used it but Jason (MA) has so if he reads this he might pop in with a comment. I believe that Concept is to MTK as Delstar is to MAE. Those prices seem high to me but since they are from the same place I guess they should be OK for a relative comparison between the Concept and Delstar. Of course that's only the color portion. One would have to get the costs of the mix products and ratios to work out an RTS cost comparison.

I really don't think there would be a problem using Concept over MP170 or MP182. No guarantees of course, since I've never done it :o).

This has gotten to be quite a thread. I noticed in the "paint codes" section of this site there is a DuPont 7410 Dulux listed as "IHC Red". Dulux was a DuPont alkyd enamel that is no longer available but the 7410 checks out as still a valid number for many DuPont modern chemistries. The DuPont-to-PPG cross that I have crosses 7410 to PPG 71969. Still another "red" for consideration. Frank Stalfire probably had the best suggestion: If one knows for sure that the dealer IH2150 is the color they want, then they should get some and do a sprayout. If they want to move up to a better chemistry, take the sprayout to a DuPont jobber to see how close they can come with their Spectramaster generic colors that are available in all DuPont chemistries, as far as I know. There probably is a similar mechanism with PPG - I just don't know about it. I do know that the DuPont YS074 Spectramaster "Yellow" is the best match that I have seen from DuPont for my early AC persian orange - better than any other more "standard" Dupont formula numbers.

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