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Re: Seeing Pink - Fertilizer Question

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Walter

09-15-2004 11:21:20




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I don't think a farmer would want to get anhydrous ammonia on him it is extremly dangerous. I believe the idea is to color the drugs to discourage their use. This stuff is made with dangerous chemicals and i don't see how that will stop them. I'm in Tennessee and it is a serious problem here. My city council is working on a law to restrict the sales of the medication needed to extract the drugs, but they will just go elsewhere to get it. The best thing is to educate the public to the dangers of not only using this stuff, but also to manufacturing it.

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JT

09-15-2004 11:34:35




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 Re: Seeing Pink - Fertilizer Question in reply to Walter, 09-15-2004 11:21:20  
Most people who use AA, usually wear gloves and protective clothing. This stuff is a vapor and it is very cold and toxic. In any large quantity, It can freeze limbs on contact. Supposedly this pink dye will make the meth their are making useless. Not a bad idea if it works. I know drug makers are not real smart, but anything has got to help.



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paul

09-15-2004 12:23:50




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 Re: Seeing Pink - Fertilizer Question in reply to JT, 09-15-2004 11:34:35  
Pressurized to 100 lbs, NH3 is a liquid. Left to air pressure, it converts itself to a gas. This conversion uses a _lot_ of heat, or in effect refrigerates everything around it to really cold where the liquid changes to a gas.

So, it can be a liquid, or a gas, depending on pressure.

It is not in any way, shape, or form toxic. Not at all. However it very, very, very much wants to combine with water - any & all water, lots of water. It really wants to combine with water. So either the liquid or gas will harm you, scaring your lungs, eyes, skin as it sucks the water out of you. It certainly is dangerous in a concentrated liquid or gas - very dangerous. It will freeze you with the cold issue, and it will have the effect of burning & scaring you as it combines with the water in you. But it is wrong to say it is _toxic_. It is not.

The dye will not make the meth useless, but it will make it traceable. I'm sure farmers & fert plant workers will pick up some of the dye if it is strong enough to last through the meth lab process.

Sudafed tablets are also a needed ingredient for meth - and we can't even get those off the open store shelves. Ask druggests about the shelves being stolen bare.... But, farmers need to pay for this dye stuff in thousdands of gallons of NH3. Seems fair, right?

--->Paul

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JT

09-15-2004 12:33:10




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 Re: Seeing Pink - Fertilizer Question in reply to paul, 09-15-2004 12:23:50  
What you call toxic and what I call toxic is different, I have worked around AA for over 30 years, and if you breath the vapors, it can kill you, to me that is toxic. No the ammonia itself is not toxic. I do not think the farmers should pay for the dye, it should be furnished for free, then every a**hole that is caught making meth should have everything he owns taken away from him, have a sheriff sale and let that pay for any and all law enforcement to stop meth labs. As for making the stuff useless, that is what I had heard in the big rumor mill a while back.

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JMS/MN

09-15-2004 22:49:11




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 Re: Seeing Pink - Fertilizer Question in reply to JT, 09-15-2004 12:33:10  
If you 'breathe' the vapors- it is toxic. The ultimate user pays for all expenses- there is no free lunch. The meth makers- have nothing, so how can you make them pay for the cleanup and other costs? Our county just passed an ordinance that makes the property owner responsible for 'their' cleanup cost. Typical government intervention- overkill on any environmental damage. The cleanup cost is likely to be way more than the year's rental on a property.

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JT

09-16-2004 05:57:32




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 Re: Seeing Pink - Fertilizer Question in reply to JMS/MN, 09-15-2004 22:49:11  
If your county just passed that ordinance, then the farmers need to start a shotgun watch, then a loader tractor to cleanup the property.



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DuaneWKKC

09-16-2004 08:00:03




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 Re: Seeing Pink - Fertilizer Question in reply to JT, 09-16-2004 05:57:32  
Uh.. Im confused, cant leave something on my property without 'EXPECTING' it to get stolen? Then some nut wants to blame ME for it getting stolen. I tend to agree with JT. If found, shoot the bs_turds AND the first person to complain about it. Only takes half as long to clean up the problem that way.



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