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Do any of you hate owners of certain tractors or do you simply dislike someone who acts like a jerk that happens to own a particular brand of tractor?

You wont ever see me on here running down another brand of tractor so how about you not saying the other brands are only good for scrap. That was a real nice post you made here but based on your prior posts it would appear that you talk out of both sides of your mouth.

The problem with Rods line of thought is that prior to 9/11/01 the old rules still applied. This is a whole different game these days. It amazes me how many people choose to forget what was learned on that day.

I'd surely like to know how some would handle the situation if they were in charge. OR maybe I wouldn't.

Things would be fine if REAL COMMON SENSE were allowed to govern.

I do feel that most of your original post gets back to that level, and with a little fine tuning could be made to work. Good thing I'm not in charge 'cause I would have put an end to this crap a long time ago. BUT I'm not afraid to say that either.

This country does NOT owe the rest of the world a damn thing.

BLANE.

Nothing was really learned from 9/11 yet in my opinion. America is still too busy reacting to 9/11 to actually learn anything from it. The reaction in and of itself has entirely changed the country, but nothing has been learned. You can clamp down on security, increase the use of racial profiling, arm the place to the teeth, and continue to chase after fantoms and boogeymen..... but you still have no more idea than I do or anyone else does what will be the nature of the next attack or where it will happen, or who will try something.

Meanwhile people are locked away in the gulag of the west, held without charge, without knowledge of why they're even there in some cases..... for what? To me, that kind of activity debases what our western democracies were founded on. It brings our society down to the level and mentaility of those who comitted 9/11, and the socities that they come from. Reducing us to their level was their goal. Removing our freedoms and the security of our society was their goal. Chaos. They got that. It continues. The actual lives that were taken that day were only incedental to them. This contradiction is apperant to many throughout the world. The more we fight them, the faster we slide. Sadly, I don't see the situation improving....

Rod

Some people have taken advantage of the freedoms this great country affords them and maybe it's time to rein some of that in.

If you didn't gain any perspective from September 11 no amount of pecking I can do will help you "get it". That's your lack of capacity.

BLANE.

So far as the current morass in Iraq goes.... I don't really see how any parallel can be drawn between that and either of the World Wars. Those two had some very clearly drawn lines involving an expanding tyranny attempting to overrun the better part of central and western Europe. The objectives and sacrifices undertaken in that campaign were for the purpose of defending the freedom they had and enjoyed, and were deemed temporary.
In Iraq, you have a situation that had no such clearly drawn lines. With the terrorists, there is no line. There's only shadows and gurrellas that appear from nowhere, wreak their havoc, and move on. There's no logical strategy to combat that. In Iraq there existed a hated tyrant who was mostly a danger to his own country and those he oppressed. He wasn't quite stupid enough to head out again and take on the world in a battle he knew fully that he would, and did lose. So, you have a president who decided it was time for Saddam to go, and mustered the resources to do the job. He just didn't quite anticipate the civil war that would follow. And there it stands. Defending freedom in Iraq, good people dieing by the day, for nothing, fighting the Iraqui civil war. There's nobody any safer today in the US than they were on Sept 10, 01. You're paying for a war, by the hundreds of billions of dollars, for nothing.
The Soviets tried that. It was called the cold war. The arms race that ensued consumed the better part of the financial resources of that empire to the point that it crumbled. Osama and his crew understand that too.
Meanwhile, east asia is applying all it's resources to doing what the US did 100 years ago. Building. Supplying. Making money.... and it's going to hit you someday like a freight train you never saw coming. All I can hope for in Iraq today is that some kind of solution can be reached there where the rebuilding starts and the troops can come home. They can't very well leave the way things are now. The job needs to be completed whether it was right or wrong in the first place.

Otherwise, remark on my capacity and the sand in my ears all you wish. Just remember that sand doesn't have a very good taste. Hope you never need to swallow any.

Rod

So far you haven't said anything that hasn't already been said or thought about. yawn....

Rod

BLANE.

The endless pursuit of money at the expense of all else is the other great evil of the day in my opinion. There's not much any one of us can do about that either. The system is such now that you basically can't survive without money..... and to get money, you're going to be part of the system whether you like it or not. So you get swept along with it. You may not take part in the madness of it all, but you still need to fit in. If you don't, you're one of the bums on the street.

Beyond that, I don't agree with too much of what you said in your plan. I think reality would get in the way of most of it. I'm sure if you sat down and thought about it, you could come up with an adverse reaction to most of it that would be far worse than the present state of affairs. I believe it was Mr. Kissinger who once remarked that each success only buys an admission ticket to a more complex problem.... and he had some experience in that department with the meddeling he did.
I can only imagine the state of things that would exist if the rag heads were deprived of their current revenue stream from the US purchases of their oil. I'd bet it would be a whole lot worse than it is today throughout the world.

The other thing that I don't like is the degree of religious Bible thumping that goes on today. There are so many who use the Bible to justify what they're doing, who they're persecuting, and have absolutely no regard for the opinion of anyone but themselves. These people invariably seem to claim that only they are correct, all others will burn, and life must be lived by their own iron rule. You go to the next group and get the same style crap with a different set of criteria for life. It's simply turned me off of organised religion of any kind.
Between that layer of crap, and this fascination with security and trying to prevent the terriorists from repeating what they've already done, the laws that are created in response to these concerns are driving the western countries to down to the level of these mid-eastern countries where freedom means nothing. You are there to serve the state and do as you're told.
It seems to me that if you were to inact a lot of what you propose, it would be an afront to most of the principles that America was founded upon, with freedom of the individual being one of the most important. Freedom to choose to do as they please, right to wrong. Anyhow, that's how I see it at this hour.
Respectfully,

Rod

Everyone on here can know this is the kind of guy I'd like to see as our next president!

BLANE.

I agree with you about the donkey/human love, but not on religoius grounds. The donkey does not have a choice so that kind of relationship would be animal abuse. It is the same with children, they often don't have the capability or they are not in circumstances where they can choose - so a carnal relationship with them is illegal. Same gender consenting adults are different; they have free will.

It is very hard to show emotion with written word. 'They' say we only get 23% of the feel of each other, typing vs talking face to face.

I'm a very sarcastic, irony type of person. Deadpan. _All_ in good humor.

I've found that doesn't work well on comuter forums. Folks don't know if I mean it or not!

Just the nature of the beast. When typing, we should probably try to be a lot nicer than we really are in person - where we can see the smile, or twinkle in the eye.

--->Paul

A co-worker is very closed minded when it comes to autos. His truck (whichever it is at the time) is the greatest. He is an extremely intelligent self taught individual, but he has this one quirk. He will even bash his past trucks as his newest is undoubtably the greatest. His one favorite is Jap truck bashing. Now I have had my 95 Nissan since new. It has held up with only minimal maintenance. He has traded Chevy trucks like underwear and has been working on them constantly. Not that there is anything wrong with them, but he is using them outside their intent.

Now the tide has changed. He has determined that the optimal tractor for maintaining his property is a Kubota. I agree. He has no need of a full size machine, yet the stamped steel models die within a few years. The closest reputable dealer sells Kubota. However, I am the proud owner of a vintage Massey. Wow, talk about irony.

Now, remember that I fully agree that he has made the proper decision yet I cannot stand idly by. I have to use his own dialog on him! Just modified slightly.

What, you bought a Jap tractor? The same people that bombed Pearl Harbor? The same people that own an increasing share of our economy? I wouldn't own it. Be ashamed to be see on it... You will never get the service that you would out of a good US tractor. Tee-hee.

The bashing is in good nature. Not sure what he thinks of this, but turnabout is fair play. I am having a blast with it though!

Aaron

If there was any general concensus of answers to questions like that, life would get pretty boring...

No need for more than one tractor company.
Or automobile company.
Or chainsaw company.
Or internet company.

And on down the line.

Perhaps the Government could make all the "BEST" choices for us, and deliver them in one offical color, in generic boxes.

No thanks, I'll take some VARIETY and decide which one meets MY needs. NO NEED for someone else's "BEST"!

SO in effect, just one tractor company, one t.v. company, or one phone company does not exactly allow the freedom of which a democracy strives to attain.

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I have found that most owners/collectors are good people, but there is one, with exception to the few on these boards that I personally dont know, and the smart alecky people like the guy you sepak of, any ways there is this one guy that I just simply cannot get along with, he a smarta$$, arrogant, always has to be the hit of the shows, inconsiderate, and a few other words I could say if the filters would let me. Hes got money, and I commend him for earning it, and yes, he just happens to own a John Deere or two.He had some Farmalls at one time, was easy to get along with, always remebered names, but when he got his riches, he sold the Farmalls, and repalced them with Deeres. Since tehn, I have notice alot of other Deere owners with their nose in the air, and in my opinion are just as bad.Again, I dont think every collector of any certain types of tractors are all bad, just the chosen few.

And also, the whole world has become more obnoxious/rude as a whole -- BUT I've found by extending some courtesy in response to rudeness that those people's attitudes change quickly and they return a smile. :o)

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Glenn