Re: OT - 2,4-D, Liquid Fertilizer, Seeding and Questions

Posted by 3020jd2955 on March 01, 2015 at 14:05:24 from (70.208.138.61):

In Reply to: OT - 2,4-D, Liquid Fertilizer, Seeding and Questions posted by Bill Va on March 01, 2015 at 12:34:52:

If I remember from past posts, you are close to me. If that is the case you should have several options for custom applied fertilizer and lime. We use Augusta Coop for most of our fertilizer. They will spread with their own trucks, or will send a local custom guy to spread. I think there is a minimum acreage charge (5 acres maybe?) but sounds like you'd have more than that anyway. Rockbridge Coop would also be someone to check into, and there are others in Rockingham County.

The coop could also hook you up with guys to spread lime for you. Or you could have it delivered in bulk to your place from the quarry (if you have a front end loader to load with) and have a local custom guy spread it or rent a spreader from the coop and do yourself.

Also from previous posts, I think you have quite a bit of broomsedge? If that is the case the lime and decent amount of fertilizer is going to be a must. Even if you kill it when you kill the field it will be back without good fertility.

We have never mixed 24d with liquid nitrogen, but have mixed it with Roundup a few times when we needed to go in and do a burndown in wheat stubble or something directly ahead of notilling planting small grain grazing mixes. But the purpose was to give a jumpstart to the next crop, not boost the weeds. As another poster said, the 24d is going to hit the weeds so fast the N isn't going to have any impact on the weeds.

In my opinion, fertilizer and lime cost enough, and need to be done right, to let people who know what they are doing apply it.

If you want a quality stand of grass hay you pretty much are going to need to burndown and start fresh. Frost seeding clover works ok, but that is mainly it. You can sometimes broadcast some orchard grass and timothy to thicken up some stands but it's not ideal. If you have heavy cover now with existing grass/weeds then broadcasting grass seed probably isn't going to be the best option - just not enough seed to soil contact. Renting the drill and no-tilling into the existing stuff would work better than broadcasting. Killing and starting over even better.

You will probably find that two cuttings is about all you can expect this summer too. Unless you are hitting whatever is there with nitrogen after each cutting, and then get timely rains, cutting mid/late May and then again early August before killing and drilling new is probably about all you can expect and have it be worth running over to bale.

Just my $.02

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