Posted by JD Seller on January 07, 2018 at 07:48:48 from (208.126.196.24):
In Reply to: Solar electricity posted by 37chief on January 06, 2018 at 20:09:37:
Neighbor has them on his machinery shed. Cost was over $50K after all the discounts. He is a organic dairy farmer. HE gets several tax rebates and abatements for property taxes. He also gets another payment from his creamery too. All total the pay out is over 15 years for what he will "save". He likes to talk about how he does not have an electric bill in many of the summer months but seems to forget he has $50K invested in the system.
The tax credits and all the other Federal subsidies are an abomination to me. The renewable energy programs will never have appositive return. Wind or solar will never be competitive with current technologies. The supporters talk about how they will be come equal over time. Well so far how The big "O" programs have done that is to drive up the cost of the conventional electrical generation rates. So the tax payers are getting hammered two ways. First we have to pay for the tree huggers dreams. Second higher electric bills cause by government regulations.
Every time I see a wind farm or a bunch of solar panels I want to just scream at the craziness. Hydro electric is the ONLY current renewable electrical generating system that works and is cost competitive. It gets pennies of help when compared to solar and wind.
I am tired of paying for everyone else's tree hugging ideas/dreams.
I also include the ethanol industry in this too. I am still not totally sure that it is viable when you include all costs verses the benefits. This should include tax abatements, Federal grants/programs, total efficiency's ( fuel used to produce the corn/transport the corn/manufacture the ethanol/transport it to where it is used). Every calculation I have seen "forgets" some of these when they tell us how efficient the new plants are.
Farmers are kind of foolish thinking it will be their salvation too. The industry numbers only claim $25-35 cents of the current price of corn can be traced back to ethanol. As the industry matures it will become less than that. History shows this. Cost go down as a industry matures.
So I say let all things stand on there own merits. The artificial way that today's government is trying to pick winners and losers will never work long term. If it did then Communistic governments would have the most robust economies in the world. History has proven that not to be the case.
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