Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver
 
Marketplace
Classified Ads
Photo Ads
Tractor Parts
Salvage

Community
Discussion Forums
Project Journals
Your Stories
Events Calendar
Hauling Schedule

Galleries
Tractor Photos
Implement Photos
Vintage Photos
Help Identify
Parts & Pieces
Stuck & Troubled
Vintage Ads
Community Album
Photo Ad Archives

Research & Info
Articles
Tractor Registry
Tip of the Day
Safety Cartoons
Tractor Values
Serial Numbers
Tune-Up Guide
Paint Codes
List Prices
Production Nbrs
Tune-Up Specs
Torque Values
3-Point Specs
Glossary

Miscellaneous
Tractor Games
Just For Kids
Virtual Show
Museum Guide
Memorial Page
Feedback Form

Yesterday's Tractors Facebook Page

  
Tractor Talk Discussion Board

Re: electrical question


[ Expand ] [ View Replies ] [ Add a Reply ] [ Return to Forum ]

Posted by John T on January 14, 2023 at 04:05:41 from (174.211.104.233):

In Reply to: electrical question posted by gbs on January 13, 2023 at 20:22:27:

gbs, more good electrical questions, those and legal draw out the most opinions lay as well as professional, lots of good people here all willing to help yayyyyyyyy. Although Im longgggggggg retired as a power distribution design engineer I will try to explain how it was done when I last practiced pursuant to the then NEC guidelines.

1) Out on the pole the HV aerial Primary Neutral was bonded to driven ground rods at every 3rd (or 4th?) power pole, this was for lightning and surge suppression and to keep the grid at one common low voltage reference IE mother earth.

2) On the LV secondary out of the transformer the 240 volt winding was tapped in its center (which left two legs of 120 each with respect to the center Neutral 180 out of phase or 240 line to line) and that center tap LV Secondary Neutral was again bonded to a driven into earth ground rod.

3) Three wires L1 L2 and Neutral are brought to the homes panel.

4) At the Panel (or first disconnect) the Neutral IS ONCE MORE connected to all readily available GROUNDING ELECTRODES (such as driven rod or rods) PLUS the Neutral Buss is bonded to the Ground Buss. On some panels theres only one common NG Buss (if main panel) while others there are two Busses and a cross Tie Bar (or screw) is used to bond the two busses together (if main panel)........ Thats the Neutral Ground BOND..

5) The panels case frame also needs bonded to the Ground Buss which may be by a grounding screw that connects the frame to the buss.

BOTTOM LINES

Earth Grounding of BOTH HV Primary and LV Secondary NEUTRALS is for lightning and surge suppression and to keep the grid at one common low voltage reference. HV and LV Neutrals at power pole are earth grounded and again at the home the LV Secondary Neutral is earth grounded

At the main panel (or first disconnect) as above the Neutral is AGAIN earth grounded PLUS Neutral is Bonded to the Ground Buss (cross tie bar or screw or one buss for both N and G)

The panels case/frame ALSO needs bonded to the Ground Buss and the Neutral needs bonded to the Ground Buss and grounding screws can be used for that.

YES there is redundancy as the Neutral (HV and LV) js earth grounded at many locations,,,,,,,,, and the N needs bonded to Ground,,,,,,,,,and the case/frame needs bonded to the Ground Buss..

NOTE although Im rusty on the latest NEC and codes Im pretty sure this has NOT changed since I retired but no warranty. Where fire and life safety are concerned consider consulting current practicing professional electricians and engineers and the NEC in addition to whats offered here me certainly included

Best Wishes

John T Headed to Florida Flywheelers this morning yayyyyyyyy


Replies:




Add a Reply!
You must be Logged In to Post


:
:
: (avoid special characters)

:

:

:

:

:

:

Advanced Posting Options

: If you check this box, email will be sent to you whenever someone replies to this message. Your email address must be entered above to receive notification. This notification will be cancelled automatically after 2 weeks.

No political comments, hate speech or bigotry of any kind will be tolerated. Violations will be removed and posting privileges may be permanently revoked without notice.



 
Advanced Posting Tools
  Select Gallery Photo  Attach Serial No List 
Return to Post 
Upload Photos/Videos
Upload one or more videos to your post. Photo and video filesizes should be less than 5MB. Formats allowed are gif, jpg, png, ogg, mp4, mov, and avi. Be sure to use filenames without spaces or special characters, and filetypes of 3 digits lower case.

TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Today's Featured Article - Timing Your Magneto Ignition Tractor - by Chris Pratt. If you have done major engine work or restored your tractor, chances are you removed the magneto and spark plug wires and eventually reached the point where you had to put it all back together and make it run. On our first cosmetic restoration, not having a manual, we carefully marked the wires, taped the magneto in the position it came off, and were careful not to turn the engine over while we had these components off. We thought we could get by with this since the engine ran perfectly and would not need any internal work. After the cleanup and painting was done, we began reassembly and finally came to t ... [Read Article]

Latest Ad: 1964 I-H 140 tractor with cultivators and sidedresser. Starts and runs good. Asking 2650. CALL RON AT 502-319-1952 [More Ads]

Copyright © 1997-2025 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy