Re: Trailer towing limits??

Posted by john in la on March 31, 2006 at 19:53:15 from (68.222.32.59):

In Reply to: Trailer towing limits?? posted by TSW on March 29, 2006 at 18:53:28:

I think Bret spelled it out for you but let me put it into other words that may explain it better.

There are two types of trucks on the road and each have their own laws.
One is a commercial hauler.
Under this blanket their are
Private carriers (haul only their own stuff)
and
For Hire Carriers (haul for hire; other peoples stuff)
If this hauler weighs over 10,000 lbs or better yet is licensed to weigh over 10,000 lbs; OR hauls hazmat in quantities large enough to require placards; he falls under DOT rules.
These rules state he MUST register with DOT; display name and DOT # on the door.
If this hauler carries other peoples property (for hire carrier) he must also display a ICC #.
Their are other requirements of insurance amounts; IFTA (fuel tax) reporting; log books.
This is all spelled out in Part 390. (see link below)

Second is the one time hauler of personal property. 390.3 f3 (see link below) gives you the right to weigh over 10,000 lbs (if you do NOT haul hazmat) and not follow these rules. BUT you better not make any money and be ready to prove it. Hauling a tractor to your summer house to do yard work would fall under this rule. Hauling your tractor to your summer house to clear a spot to plant trees that later will be sold does NOT. You made money off the trees.

Different subject from above and should not be confused with any thing said above.
CDL
If you weigh over 26,000 lbs gross OR haul hazmat you need a CDL. If your trailer is licensed for more than 10,000 lbs you need a Class A CDL. YES if you are licensed for under 26,000 lbs you can pull a 10,000 lb trailer without a CDL but then we get into weight laws.
You are only allowed so much per axle depending on what size axle/tires it has.
Where it gets tricky is you need a truck capable of pulling and STOPPING a 10,000 trailer. To get this you (I think) need to get into larger trucks. One way I have seen them get around it is by getting a truck rated over 26,000 lbs but putting a 25,000 lb license on it. To avoid daily hassle they mark on the door.......
GV weight 25,000 lbs

Scale the load
A truck comes with 2 weight ratings...
GVWR gross vehicle weight rating
GCWR gross combined weight rating
You can license a Toyota pickup for 80,000 lbs but that does not mean you can weigh that much. You must never exceed your GVWR or GCWR. For small trucks they will check it. Rip the tag off the door; does not matter they have a book listing ratings.
Even when all this is correct you still need to place the load on the trailer properly so you are not over axle weights.

Now I will say it again.
Glad you found someone to haul your load
BUT..............
How can you pull a 14,000 lb load and be under 26,000 lbs.
Your 1 ton (I think) is to small to do the job.
So we need a larger truck. Say a 2 ton.
Your 4000 lb trailer will have all it can handle with 14,000 lbs. If we can get the load placed just right we may be able to scale the load.
If so we may squeeze in under 26,000 but it is going to be close.

Replies:

• Re: Trailer towing limits?? Bret4207 06:50:54 04/01/06 (1)
  • Re: Trailer towing limits?? TSW 11:13:42 04/01/06 (0)
• Re: Trailer towing limits?? TSW 06:25:38 04/01/06 (1)
  • Re: Trailer towing limits?? Bret4207 15:13:31 04/01/06 (0)

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