Talk to a "National" builder about what? And, salesmen? Not a source I'd choose for acurate data. If they have you convinced that a properly treated pole can't last in the ground - then perhaps YOU need to contact owners of the thousands of pole buildings all over the country that have been standing a long time. If a pole rots, it was not right for the job to start with. A good CCA, ACZA, ACQ, etc. treated pole with a wood grain that accepted treatment properly - e.g. southern yellow pine, red pine, or ponderosa pine - will last a long time - well over 50 years before it even starts to rot. This has been proven in "real time" testing and accelerated testing. There are many large houses all over the country, designed and stamped by engineers that have all wood foundations with a min. of .80 treated wood. What do your "expert" builders have to say about the power company's utility poles? When's the last time you saw one that rotted off at ground level and fell over? I bet you've never seen it happen. I've seen 50 year utility poles get changed out and were still in pretty good shape. There's an electric company right-of-way in my woods that has 4800 volt wires hooked to poles put in the ground in 1946. They also still have the original wood crossarms. They look a bit ratty but none have keeled over yet. I live in a "moderate" rot zone in New York State and have many buildings over 30 years old now with no sign of rot at all. In low rot areas e.g. the southwest, the stuff lasts even longer. Last year I helped a farmer nearby move a pole barn and we pulled up his old creosote-treated holes with my backhoe. They had been put in around 1959 - and all were fine. He's going to resuse them. To make a blanket statement that poles can't last is just plain silly. Yes, many do not last - but that's because they were not suited for long term, direct burial. Most foundation-grade, .80 or higher treated lumber has to be special ordered - and not a normal stock item in the average lumberyard. Recently, some of the stuff the chain-stores are selling -like Lowes and Home Depot is almost criminal. They have 4x4s and 6X6s that are sold at treated lumber - but are so lightly treated, cannot be used in ground and expected to last more than 10 years.
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