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Re: MF or an International ??


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Posted by RodInNS on September 22, 2008 at 05:42:21 from (216.118.158.123):

In Reply to: Re: MF or an International ?? posted by MF Poor on September 22, 2008 at 04:12:33:

I think you're incredibly naive if you think YOUR dealer, or any other dealer didn't or wouldn't turn a tractor up.
I can think of a couple local dealers (one green and one massey) that routinely tested every new tractor on their dyno and adjusted as necessary... and then they installed new seals on the pump when they were done so the buyer wouldn't know the difference. When they were taking one of the 'others' on trade, they'd make damn sure the new one outpulled it by a wide margin, and the pump was the guarntee for that. The same guy that worked at both of those dealers at one time also noted that the Massey's would make 5-10 hp more than they were rated for, right out of the box... something that is not obvious on their official test, so it's not impossible that Massey was sloppy (perhaps intentionally so) in their pump calibrations. He remarked that Kubota's were always spot on with their power, so I'd doubt if their dyno was out of whack.

As far as your 'real world' is concerned, the fact around here is that I've hauled loads with a 45 hp Ford 3930 that scare the owners of Ford 3000's and Massey 135's.
You know, real world, 10 metric tonne loads on 4 wheel wagons. 25-30 bales of silage kind of loads. Across fields, up and down hills, chewing and clawing in third gear. A normally ballasted 3000 or 135 would move about 20% of that on a wagon. Mabey they'd move more if their owners tried, but they were scared to go with more... so I'd take it they knew what they could handle.
I take UNL test data as being more representative of what the tractors can do because they take the time to properly ballast the tractors, or not ballast them, record exactly what they pulled, the conditions they did it in etc. Working on a concrete test track gives a repeatable result every time, so it's the only 'true' same condition comparison. Field testing one tractor with a monkeyed pump pulling a plow in a sand vein while the tractor next to it is bone stock and hauling a plow 2 inches deeper in a run of clay is hardly an 'even' comparison.
What you do in the field is merly the application of the theory that's evident on that concrete test track. Most people are generally less than successful at the application of that theroy too.

The fact remains that if you have a need for a light utility tractor for mostly PTO work (like you say you did) (bishhog, sickle bar mower, small tedder/rake, small baler etc) the 135 is a great little tractor. So is the 3000. I still don't draw any significant distinction between them... but if you need a tractor to do just about anything more than that, you need MORE tractor. Most operating farms today need more tractor than that.
nuff said.

Rod


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