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Re: O/T Union, hard at work.


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Posted by Billy NY on January 01, 2009 at 13:48:25 from (74.67.3.238):

In Reply to: O/T Union, hard at work. posted by Craig Braun on January 01, 2009 at 09:54:07:

Couldn't you have taken a withdrawal card from the craft? I did that when I left the teamsters in the mid 80's, was no problem to get back in, of course I never went back.

Really is a expansive topic for discussion, I spent a good part of my career so far, working with, union construction trades, it sure seems that the unions organized with manufacturing trades, like U.A.W. etc. are much more involved etc. In construction, there are ways to work with the unions, building owners still pay a premium, but even a lot of open shops are competitive with union wages now, so depending on the job, may not be all that different. Most if not all jobs I have been involved with, the union trades had best be productive, or they go down the road, a lot of them realize they represent a company and if they do not produce, their job is on the line, most realize this, many still take a lot pride in their trade, and overall it is still a good situation for the trades person and the company. Yeah, we have standby trades and job site stewards, sometimes they are outstanding, other times those standby trades/stewards can cause a lot of trouble, takes a good manager, superintendent to keep things rolling, you need to get to know the business agents etc.

I have seen local companies here gone back to unionized labor, some even have separate union divisions. I have seen and have dealt with all kinds of union related problems, but even then, in construction, if managed properly, it is still a win-win situation, even in NYC where I spent a lot of years working. I've dealt with just about every kind of problem there is with the unions, but can tell you one thing, if I needed to fire or replace a person due to failure to perform or what have you, most times it gets done. I had a crane operator pull some real crap on me once, cost us a lot of money, held up a 25 person crew, and I could not get him off the job, had 2 cranes swinging, he was first on site, so I had to play the game due to the trade agreement with the operating engineers, but I soon figured out how to get him off the job and get a new operator on site, just shut the job down for a week, he was a company man too, was not out of the hall. I told the crane outfit, I'll take all our business to your competitor, (which I would have genuinely hated doing because we had a great business relationship) if I ever see that guy show up on one of my jobs again. They apologized for his behavior and never sent him out on my jobs again, union or non-union, a real jerk can cause serious problems sometimes, no matter what affiliation they have with organized labor or not. Once he was replaced, production was booming again and the job was very profitable, would not have been the case if I continued with that jerk on the crane, get the wrong person in the seat and it can ruin your profits, boy I'll never forget that job, one of the best decisions I ever made, we even made up the lost time on the schedule.


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