Re: Again E85

Posted by ChadS on July 20, 2006 at 08:57:56 from (66.228.96.214):

In Reply to: Again E85 posted by fisherman on July 19, 2006 at 14:55:52:

Ive been using E85 for over 15 years now in just about any kind of tractor you can think of. I know for a fact, I can tear apart one of my tractors, that has been on the whiskey for years, and not show one bit of corrosion on pistons, valves, rings, heads, carbs, etc etc! Ethanol is very different than what methanol, (classic alky) does to parts. E85, when left sit in a can, or a glass jar (Like a sediment bowl) Turns very oily and thicker than what it once was,, It dont corrode as to say,, more like gums up to an oily residue.
Ive got a H farmall that has been sitting in the shop bay for over a year now,, E85 burner,,(still in the tank) The sediment bowl appearence can speak for its self. Oily residue.

As far as what you can run it in,, well, anything with a carb, or computer setup to use it will run very well on it, if not better than what pump fuel is. If you dont know what to look for, you will never know how to properly use it.

For one, you cant burn it straight in low compression engines, you have to cut it back with gasoline.

Higher compression = more ethanol can be used and run better with less gas in the mix.

Most common engine rebuild kits are high compression compnents VS stock, so if you got a newly rebuilt engine with updated parts you have better success with E85,,,

If got a M farmall with a kerosine engine with 100 psi of compression at cranking speed, you wont like E85, unless you mix it with pump gas to dillute the E85,,,

See,,, E85 is like octane booster, it has the same characteristics as high octane race fuel,,, very hard to ignite,, so low compression engine have trouble getting it to run on it, even if you have a high energy ignition system, the increased amount of fuel needed to run is too much for the low compression engine to burn up.

Mixing E85 with pump gas help ignite the fuel easier, Your engines compression readings will tell you if you can use E85 with pump gas mixed in, in lower compression engines.

High compression engines,,, love this stuff!!! I dyno tuned 49 M the other day,, had a Red power piston kit with a 8060 head, making 160 psi of compression,,, On pump gas it made 52 hp,, on a mix with E85, and pump gas, it made over 60. (1 gallon of E85 to 3 gallons of gas) it started great, ran cooler, and made more power.

Fuel efficency is out the window,,, with any turned up, or enhanced engine to make something work to the best potential, well, you tend to use more of it, alot more,, and, it takes more than just dumping in E85 in the gas tank and hoping for the best,,,,,

You have to increase the main jet size,, this allows more fuel to enter the engine, if you dont, you wont get anything but headaches as far as running charcateristics are concerned.

Part deterioration,,

I havent seen anything to back that case up in E85 arguemnts,,, When used properly,,,,, Ive seen methanol engines burn, corrode, ruin parts,, but Its two different materials you guys are trading stories with here!!!

On an old tractor, you have to mix gas with it,, plain and simple. E85 can reduce your emmisions, make more power, but not totally remove our reliance on fossil fuels totally,, well,,, just yet,,,

If I could make Ehthanol, legally,, I would and run it in every gas powered engine I can get my hands on, never visit a gas station again,,, but I cant do that,,,LOL! Not cause my car, or tractor says I cant,, enough bout that,, LOL!!!

Bottom line is,, this E85 thing,, with what we have learned in the past with carburated engines and Ethanol,, with a wider failure rate,,

the new fuel injection systems redesigned for E85,,, we have just seen the start of this being a solution to our dependance of out of country oil. Just wish the technology was there 20 years ago to further develop E85 and how to make it run in our cars, trucks, and farm tractors and equipment.

On a personal note,,,

What ticks me off is seeing E85 within 2 cents of regular unleaded pump gas,,, and,, how much is corn a bushel? you do the math!

Sorry for the long post,, E85 hits me close to home, and ive done some long winded homework on it. 15 years worth in the antique tractor pulling research and development. ChadS

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