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Re: MF or an International ??


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Posted by RodInNS on September 22, 2008 at 06:10:36 from (216.118.158.123):

In Reply to: Re: MF or an International ?? posted by 135 Fan on September 21, 2008 at 23:03:16:

Yes, the basic 135 is still on the market. YEs, there's still a market out ther for it, but I'd think it pretty limited actually.

I don't go to a lot of auctions but I never see those tractors bring any kind of price more than anything else there, good bad or indifferent. I can also think of a few that were in running order that are parked in the weeds or the corner of a shed doing nothing... so I don't think their value is too great to anyone in this area.

I also don't know of any equipment manufacturer, Ford included that didn't try to construe themselves as the world leader in some form or another. Ford led the UK market for the better half of the last century and I beleive NH still holds that title today, not that it really matters. I've never bought a tractor because I though everyone else was buying them.
Dealer support and the quality/ability of the machine are more important to me. In terms of gross revenue, Deere & Company is the world leader today and has been for some time, and by a wide margin. That's obviously a larger product line than just tractors, but the fact stands.

Back to the sleeve issue... I will say again, that it can be argued until the end of time. If you go into any shop you can find pitted sleeves from any wet sleeve engine (Perkins, Detroit, IH...DT's, Cummins, Cat etc that are there for no reason other than that they were pitted and required replacement. Parent bore blocks are not immune to cavitation (Ford's certainly weren't), but they generally don't leak to the extend that wet sleeve engines do... which is the main claim to fame for a parent bore block. I think in reality they are very little cheaper to produce.
It also seems to me that the last time I had one bored, the cost was not all that great, and that involved the installation of 2 sleeves. Seems for 2 holes it was something like 300 bucks. A wet sleve set wouldn't come any cheaper than that at the time.
The biggest factor is the time it takes to overhaul a parent bore engine. You've got to sit and wait for the machining work to be done wheras the wet sleeve engine can be hauled apart and reassembled in a short period of time with little worry for error on the sleeves.
I've got some of both type. I don't worry about it one way or the other. An engine overhaul on most tracors today is a once in a lifetime thing if it's ever done. There's lots of 'B' series Cummins running up to 15000 hours without anything other than regular maintenance. By the time the machine has done that kind of work it generally ready for china anyway. You can rebuild them, but you're rebuilding a money pit.
That's largely why engines are parent bore today. Use it up and throw it away...

Rod


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