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I think my Farmall Super M tranny is Frozen (Ice)


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Posted by chappie on November 27, 2014 at 17:51:39 from (208.74.247.249):

I've had this Super M for 7 or 8 years. I have never had a problem in winter. A few weeks ago, I drove it about 7 miles each way, to a welding shop to get the loader welded, and it worked fine, except I was having trouble getting it into 4th and 5th gear. But Rev 1 - 2 - 3 worked fine. (I rarely use 4 & 5 gear).

The weather was still warm when I took it to the welding ship. Since then, the weather has gotten cold, and down as far as 8 deg. (F) a few times. About a week ago, I drove it and moved a round bale, late at night, when the temperature was in the low 20's. I had no problems. I parked it, and have not used it since.

Yesterday I decided to put the tire chains on, and found that it will not move. The engine starts and runs, as long as I keep the clutch depressed. If I let the clutch out (engage it), the engine just kills. I tried this several times and revved the engine up. There is not even a slight inclination to the tires trying to turn.

Since I already had that problem with the 4 & 5th gears, the first thing I did was remove the shift lever. The three slots are correctly lined up and centered. (I *CAN* SHIFT FROM REV - 1 - 2 - 3, BUT NOT 4 - 4 *NOW). [Same as before]. But no matter what I do, I cant get the tractor to move, or even let the clutch out in neutral, or the engine kills.

I'm suspecting that the tranny must be frozen with ice?????? I sure dont know what else could cause this? But like I said, this has never happened before in winter, and it's been much colder other years!!!!

I'm posting this to ask several things.

1. Is there a way to know for sure if the problem is ice?

2. If there is ice in the hydraulic fluid/pump, will that also cause the engine to kill? (If so, is there a simple way to unload that pump, without removing it?

3. Does the Tranny and Differential share the same fluid?

4. If it's frozen, what is a good and safe way to thaw it? (I cant move it into a garage... No heated garage, and I CANT MOVE IT ANYHOW!

5. Once I get it thawed, and drain the old fluid, someone told me I will need to fill it with clean oil, run it for a short time, drain it again, and fill it again. I believe it takes 13 gallons. That fluid costs over $16 per gallon. That will cost around $230 (with tax) for EACH fill. If I have to fill it ONCE, so be it, but is there another way to clean out the water without doing it twice? $460 is not easy to come up with! (It's sold in 5 gallon buckets).

Thanks in advance for all help. I think in the morning I'm going to carefully remove the drain plug and see if there is ice behind it.

PS. I have had a magnetic engine block heater on it for 20 hours, but that dont seem to generate enough heat. (The temps have been around 10 deg (F).


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