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Re: MF or an International ??


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Posted by RodInNS on September 20, 2008 at 18:28:04 from (216.118.158.123):

In Reply to: Re: MF or an International ?? posted by MF Poor on September 20, 2008 at 15:58:39:

It's got nothing to do with 'color' in my mind, but mabey it does in yours. I've seen countless Masseys around here, and god knows there were a lot of them... from 135's, 150's, 165's, 230's and 250's to name but a few. Without fail, every single one I've ever laid eyes on had a big problem with traction, to the point that it was painful to watch. That's also true of every single Ford BELOW the 4000. They lack weight. The style of reduction in the final drive is irrelevant until you get to the point that you add enough weight to the wheels to make it work. Then you end up with axle failures which is why by the late 70's Ford was moving towards the planetary axles on all of it's basildon derived tractors... and if you think I'm wrong about that, you should question why nearly every single major axle component on the market today on any machine above a compact tractor uses planetary reduction. It's simply a more reliable design.
I don't care if Massey made the single reduction axle or Ford made it, the result will be the same. It's useless on anything other than a light utility tractor performing the lightest of drawbar jobs or PTO work.
I think the 3000 and 135 are very comparable tractors and I never said the 3000 was worth a damn either. For drawbar work, it isn't.
You're full of crap about the engine though. Both the 3 cylinder Perkins and the 3 cylinder Ford are plenty good engines. The Ford 201 fitted to the 4000 being just about bulletproof.
Fuel efficiency, statistically speaking (actual proven fact) goes to the 135 over the 3000 by a slight margin... according to the test, it amounts to between 2.-.3 gph less on the 135, but it also had slightly less power so it should burn less fuel. The 135 does have a slight advantage in efficinecy on a Hp-hr/gal basis.
As far as drawbar pull is concerned, the 3000 wins that hands down, by a considerable margin, again, related to dead weight that the 135 doesn't have.
Google the tests for both if you don't believe me unless you'd rather argue about paint instead of facts.

I don't need to own a Massey to know that the Fords I've got will outwork them. I've watched enough neighbours suffer with 135's. I've spent enough time suffering along on an old Ford 860 myself. They're all about the same class of tractor and all equally useless for anything I'm doing on a tractor.
I don't have any practical use for any of them, including the 3000 for that matter... but if you do, that's great.

Rod


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